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[Peradon]

Quotes are good to have. Quotes give context. They also make it clear what questions are about. Are you actually telling me that it was a bad idea to use quotes?

That is not what I said. I said your quotes took up a huge amount of your post, making your post look big so that people couldnt say you were active lurking. Yes, quotes are good. But quotes can be used to hide non-content with big posts, which is what I'm saying you did. Now stop twisting my words.

[TheDarkStar]

Quotes are good to have. Quotes give context. They also make it clear what questions are about. Are you actually telling me that it was a bad idea to use quotes?

That is not what I said. I said your quotes took up a huge amount of your post, making your post look big so that people couldnt say you were active lurking. Yes, quotes are good. But quotes can be used to hide non-content with big posts, which is what I'm saying you did. Now stop twisting my words.

How am I twisting your words? You said that it was bad that my post was mostly quotes and so I explained why I used quotes.

[origamiscienceguy]

The point of RVS is to get people talking. The votes increase the urgency. Your vote was on me with an explanation that would have been reasonable if it had made any sense. While RVS is sometimes based on minuscule details, you kept on insisting that I was at fault. This is clearly shown by how long it took you to get your vote off of me. Despite everybody telling you that your claim had no legitimacy, you kept your vote on me for far to long I think that this means that your vote was not RVS intended.

[TheDarkStar]

The point of RVS is to get people talking. The votes increase the urgency. Your vote was on me with an explanation that would have been reasonable if it had made any sense. While RVS is sometimes based on minuscule details, you kept on insisting that I was at fault. This is clearly shown by how long it took you to get your vote off of me. Despite everybody telling you that your claim had no legitimacy, you kept your vote on me for far to long I think that this means that your vote was not RVS intended.

I'm telling you now that it was RVS so that you know for sure. If you don't believe me, there isn't much else I can do.

Everyone who thinks I'm scummy: Can you summarize your case on me? From what I can tell, it boils down to "I don't like the way you voted in RVS" and "Active lurking in the first 24 hours".
Everyone who doesn't: What do you think of the people currently voting for me?

[origamiscienceguy]

The point of RVS is to get people talking. The votes increase the urgency. Your vote was on me with an explanation that would have been reasonable if it had made any sense. While RVS is sometimes based on minuscule details, you kept on insisting that I was at fault. This is clearly shown by how long it took you to get your vote off of me. Despite everybody telling you that your claim had no legitimacy, you kept your vote on me for far to long I think that this means that your vote was not RVS intended.

I'm telling you now that it was RVS so that you know for sure. If you don't believe me, there isn't much else I can do.

That's the thing. I honestly don't believe you. The way you acted is contrary to what RVS is.

[Peradon]

Quotes are good to have. Quotes give context. They also make it clear what questions are about. Are you actually telling me that it was a bad idea to use quotes?

That is not what I said. I said your quotes took up a huge amount of your post, making your post look big so that people couldnt say you were active lurking. Yes, quotes are good. But quotes can be used to hide non-content with big posts, which is what I'm saying you did. Now stop twisting my words.

How am I twisting your words? You said that it was bad that my post was mostly quotes and so I explained why I used quotes.

You also claimed I said it was universally bad to use quotes, which is not at all what I said, and you know it. I dont even see how it can be construed that way. It seriously looks like you are trying to pin something on me that I never said.

[flabort]

Oy! TDS*! Now you're deliberately misinterpreting my posts.

If I'm doing something "really wrong", what is it? Are you just going to go with the opinion of others?

Latter question first:

This was an important part of my post. How could you miss it?

Are you just going to go with the opinion of others?

Hell no. I can certainly form my own opinions, and certainly didn't accuse you of active lurking on day 1 or bullcrap like that; I accused you of being narrow minded and attacking OSG for not giving enough information when he/she had already answered apparently to the satisfaction of the questioner.

RVS is a time for questions like that. It was still clearly in RVS.

And they had clearly answered the question, and even if you didn't like the answer, the person who asked the question was was fine with it . What is wrong with "There is more than one right answer, depending on what your playstyle is any power is the most powerful", except for it doesn't tell you what power you can booby trap to kill that person off?
If that weren't bad enough, you just couldn't let OSG go; once you had no excuse to follow the train of thought, you find a new reason to vote him. Two reasons, even; "0 effort bandwagon" and "double standard", just in case someone could disprove one, you'd still have the other to fall back on. This is definitely tunneling.

If I'm doing something "really wrong", what is it?

What you are doing wrong is not trying hard enough to act how people expect a town player to act; whether you're town or scum, you've been pinging scum on several radars (I don't doubt that one or more votes/nonvoter-votes on you may be scum, but surely some of them are town)

So you claim I'm scum because I "don't look like town" to you. Thank you for that amazing revelation. Anything other nonobvious things to add? /sarcasm

I did say that is answer is what you were doing "really wrong", right, and not why I thought you were scum? OH, I DID? Yeah. I'm sorry if "Latter question first" was nonobvious, but I'm only saying if so many people find you scummy for all these multiple reasons, including the reasons I find you scummy for (which are NOT "everyone finds you scummy"), then you're doing something wrong.

*No, since it's still day 1 I still can't vote. I just thought I should reinforce that I'd be voting you if I could.

[Persus13]

Everyone: You do know that TDS is not a new player right? He's newish, but he's been playing for maybe a year now.

Flabort: Why haven't you responded to my giant post earlier? You've been posting in thread and responding to other people, why ignore me?

Oy! TDS*! Now you're deliberately misinterpreting my posts.

How is he doing this?

Are you just going to go with the opinion of others?

Hell no. I can certainly form my own opinions, and certainly didn't accuse you of active lurking on day 1 or bullcrap like that; I accused you of being narrow minded and attacking OSG for not giving enough information when he/she had already answered apparently to the satisfaction of the questioner.

RVS is a time for questions like that. It was still clearly in RVS.

And they had clearly answered the question, and even if you didn't like the answer, the person who asked the question was was fine with it . What is wrong with "There is more than one right answer, depending on what your playstyle is any power is the most powerful", except for it doesn't tell you what power you can booby trap to kill that person off?
If that weren't bad enough, you just couldn't let OSG go; once you had no excuse to follow the train of thought, you find a new reason to vote him. Two reasons, even; "0 effort bandwagon" and "double standard", just in case someone could disprove one, you'd still have the other to fall back on. This is definitely tunneling.

Why does the question asker being fine with the answer provided and TDS not being fine an issue? If you're trying to indirectly accuse TDS of rolefishing, be explicit about that or stop prancing around that accusation because it's making me really confused on why your attacking TDS over this unless that's what you're trying to do. Even then, why is Peradon not getting any flack for this either? Secondly, you view the post where TDS responded to pretty much everyone and FOSed 4 people but kept his vote on OGS as tunneling?

If I'm doing something "really wrong", what is it?

What you are doing wrong is not trying hard enough to act how people expect a town player to act; whether you're town or scum, you've been pinging scum on several radars (I don't doubt that one or more votes/nonvoter-votes on you may be scum, but surely some of them are town)

So you claim I'm scum because I "don't look like town" to you. Thank you for that amazing revelation. Anything other nonobvious things to add? /sarcasm

I did say that is answer is what you were doing "really wrong", right, and not why I thought you were scum? OH, I DID? Yeah. I'm sorry if "Latter question first" was nonobvious, but I'm only saying if so many people find you scummy for all these multiple reasons, including the reasons I find you scummy for (which are NOT "everyone finds you scummy"), then you're doing something wrong.

*No, since it's still day 1 I still can't vote. I just thought I should reinforce that I'd be voting you if I could.

So you're saying that people find TDS scummy because he's not playing the "town" way? Why do you feel like you need to give TDS advice anyway?

[Persus13]

EBWOP: The bottom half of my previous post with less formatting issues.

Oy! TDS*! Now you're deliberately misinterpreting my posts.

How is he doing this?

Are you just going to go with the opinion of others?

Hell no. I can certainly form my own opinions, and certainly didn't accuse you of active lurking on day 1 or bullcrap like that; I accused you of being narrow minded and attacking OSG for not giving enough information when he/she had already answered apparently to the satisfaction of the questioner.

RVS is a time for questions like that. It was still clearly in RVS.

And they had clearly answered the question, and even if you didn't like the answer, the person who asked the question was was fine with it . What is wrong with "There is more than one right answer, depending on what your playstyle is any power is the most powerful", except for it doesn't tell you what power you can booby trap to kill that person off?
If that weren't bad enough, you just couldn't let OSG go; once you had no excuse to follow the train of thought, you find a new reason to vote him. Two reasons, even; "0 effort bandwagon" and "double standard", just in case someone could disprove one, you'd still have the other to fall back on. This is definitely tunneling.

Why does the question asker being fine with the answer provided and TDS not being fine an issue? If you're trying to indirectly accuse TDS of rolefishing, be explicit about that or stop prancing around that accusation because it's making me really confused on why your attacking TDS over this unless that's what you're trying to do. Even then, why is Peradon not getting any flack for this either? Secondly, you view the post where TDS responded to pretty much everyone and FOSed 4 people but kept his vote on OGS as tunneling?

If I'm doing something "really wrong", what is it?

What you are doing wrong is not trying hard enough to act how people expect a town player to act; whether you're town or scum, you've been pinging scum on several radars (I don't doubt that one or more votes/nonvoter-votes on you may be scum, but surely some of them are town)

So you claim I'm scum because I "don't look like town" to you. Thank you for that amazing revelation. Anything other nonobvious things to add? /sarcasm

I did say that is answer is what you were doing "really wrong", right, and not why I thought you were scum? OH, I DID? Yeah. I'm sorry if "Latter question first" was nonobvious, but I'm only saying if so many people find you scummy for all these multiple reasons, including the reasons I find you scummy for (which are NOT "everyone finds you scummy"), then you're doing something wrong.

*No, since it's still day 1 I still can't vote. I just thought I should reinforce that I'd be voting you if I could.

So you're saying that people find TDS scummy because he's not playing the "town" way? Why do you feel like you need to give TDS advice anyway?

[notquitethere]

Some of the lay-monks dutifully cast Delay on the sun and the arguments rumbled on into the extended afternoon.

4maskwolf
Peradon [2] - Shakerag, TheDarkStar
Shakerag
Varee
origamiscienceguy
Flabort [1] - Persus13
Hector13
Tiruin
*TheDarkStar [3] - 4maskwolf, origamiscienceguy, Peradon
Deus Asmoth
*Persus13
No Lynch

*(Extended)

Hammer is 6 votes. Day ends in 22 hours or on the hammer.

List of Active Masks
Red, Green, Bronze, White, Gold, Silver, Blue, Orange, Brown, Cream, Purple, Turquoise, Yellow, Black, Violet

List of Dead Masks

Spoiler: Pink (click to show/hide)

Deathsword - Town - Exquisite Pixie Torturer - Pink Mask - 0xp
Free-Mixed Blessings, Sap, Kill, Silent, Changeling, Prolific

[Peradon]

Even then, why is Peradon not getting any flack for this either?

I'm pretty sure someone did  mention this a while back. I pretty much said that it was not my intent to rolefish, and it was entirely for the sake of RQS.

So yeah.

NQT: Is that a mess up, or can 4mask actually vote?

[notquitethere]

NQT: Is that a mess up, or can 4mask actually vote?

The vote count contains no votes from any player who has the 'unable-to-vote' flaw, I've double-checked.

[flabort]

Spoilers because WoT

Spoiler: Response to TDS (click to show/hide)

Everyone who thinks I'm scummy: Can you summarize your case on me? From what I can tell, it boils down to "I don't like the way you voted in RVS" and "Active lurking in the first 24 hours".

You're attack on OSG was illegitimate (And rolefishy, thank you Persus, I could not think of the term), you proceeded to tunnel in on him, and you seem to deliberately twist or misinterpret almost everything brought against you.

Why would it reveal practically nothing if I flipped town? Wouldn't you get a large amount of information from seeing who voted me/pushed a lynch on me, when, and why?

Because, at this point, everyone who is capable of voting is either voting you or peradon, is you, or is lurking. It would reveal that those voting you "weren't lurkers and weren't voting peradon".

I say this because there are six active players that I can see; you, peradon, hector, 4mask, OSG, and myself; Out of these, I'm unable to vote. And four of us find you scummy. The other two are you and hector, who offered to hit you with a shovel, who would be voting you (albeit that was an RVS vote) if he didn't have Guilty Conscience right now.
The other five less-active and more-prone-to-lurking players right now are Varee, shakerag, Persus, Tiruin, and Deus; out of those, one is voting for Peradon, and the other four aren't voting for whatever reasons.

What would it reveal about hector/4mask/peradon/OSG/flabort if you flipped town? What would it reveal about Varee/shakerag/Persus/Tiruin/Dues? One half these players are active and would vote you if they could. The other half are rarely even in the thread. That's... pretty much the only connections I can form right now; associative analysis materials would be slim pickings.

What about if you flipped scum? Well, first, it would give us a much better chance at finding your team, it would severely weaken your team, and it would inform us of what sorts of strategies your team is going for as far as powers. It might also tell us if there are one or two teams.

Spoiler: Response to Persus (click to show/hide)

Flabort: Why haven't you responded to my giant post earlier? You've been posting in thread and responding to other people, why ignore me?

This post? To respond to your statement, I did say "paraphrasing", correct? He answered a question with a multiple choice and open ended question, which can be paraphrased to "this is a trick question", and then said that different powers appeal to different playstyles, which is to say "the answer is all of them".

Except TDS never said he got changeling'd, just that he got two copies of changeling. Does the fact that everyone finds TDS scummy alarm you at all?

No, he didn't say it directly. But he was different from the rest in that he got two changelings, and when he thought he had lost them immediately, he described the event in such a way (listing the flaws he now had and neglecting to mention he had other powers still) as to make me believe that he had been changeling'd.

As for the fact that everyone finds him scummy only bugs me because it will be impossible to sort the scum from the town when looking at who found him scummy and who didn't.

the reasons I find you scummy for (which are NOT "everyone finds you scummy")

So you're saying that people find TDS scummy because he's not playing the "town" way? Why do you feel like you need to give TDS advice anyway?
[/quote]...

I didn't say that, I said I didn't think he was playing like town because everyone found him scummy. Whether he is town or scum, he is not playing like town. This half of my post has nothing to do with why I find him scummy, I just said that IN THE POST. I cannot make myself more clear here: For so many people to find him playing scummily, he must be playing scummily and not like town; and this has nothing to do with why I think he's scum.

As for advice, I haven't actually given him any advice as to how to play more like town. I just pointed out that he wasn't.

Oy! TDS*! Now you're deliberately misinterpreting my posts.

How is he doing this?

If you read the rest of the post, I point out that he responds to my answers in the wrong order; I answer the second question ("The latter") first, and he treats it as an answer to the first question. Likewise, he treated the answer for the first question as the answer to the second.

NQT: Is that a mess up, or can 4mask actually vote?

He did say it's the first game of CYOM that he didn't take that flaw; or rather, he said it's the first game where he started with the power to vote.

[4maskwolf]

[EXPLETIVE_DELETED], look at all the shenannigans you all got up to while I was gone.

Last I checked it was on page 22.  Now we're on page 24.  [EXPLETIVE_DELETED]

So many [EXPLETIVE_DELETED] WoT's, and all this when I'm trying to post from an iPad.

Alright, time to catch up.

URRRRRRRRKKKK all of the shenanigans.  Why is this day still going?

Damn it, Darky, at this point we're not going to gain any more information without a lynch happening.

Peradon, I just want you to know that you're next on my "vote off the island" list for blatant bandwagoning.  You honest-to-God just took my argument about him being active-lurky, which was somewhat flawed to begin with (but the second-best lead I had at the time after his pressuring OSG for silly reasons) and turned it up to the point of ridiculousness.  The only new thing you have contributed to this is pressuring him about misinterpreting something you wrote, which only came much later.  On top of which, you failed a test I ran earlier but didn't comment on at the time (namely, you backed off of Shakerag just because I told you something about his meta, which may or may not be true and has nothing to do with your own experience, indicating wishy-washyness and desire to please, both scum traits).  The ONLY reason I'm not voting your scummy hide right now is that TDS's blatant misrepresentation of people's points puts him a hairs-breadth ahead of you on the scumminess meter.

[Tiruin]

>_>
<_<
Alright, I am totally nearly indisposed here due to net issues and that I'll mostly likely probably not be able to connect during the weekends.
...Is it possible to ask for a temporary replacement for D1~ and then replace back when I get back? I did make notes on what recently occurred though, so anyone who has questions to me please ask (though I did lost my D1 question set...so I can't give back at the moment though)