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I am religious and believe in free will

71 (27.7%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

114 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (23.8%)

Total Members Voted: 251

[TheBiggerFish]

No.  Bad Tomasque.

[Rolepgeek]

Mother Theresa was an asshole.

I'm curious as to what you're basing that on. One of my teachers, whom I had just a few years ago, met Mother Teresa while on a charity mission and iirc, saw some of the work she's been doing.

I also read something which said that journals recovered after her death revealed that she was having a crisis of faith basically ever since starting her work. But she kept doing it anyway. So I'd like to know where you're coming from on this.

[TD1]

I heard she was pretty much forced to remain despite not wanting to. I don't know if that's based in fact.

[Antioch]

Mother Theresa was an asshole.

I'm curious as to what you're basing that on. One of my teachers, whom I had just a few years ago, met Mother Teresa while on a charity mission and iirc, saw some of the work she's been doing.

I also read something which said that journals recovered after her death revealed that she was having a crisis of faith basically ever since starting her work. But she kept doing it anyway. So I'd like to know where you're coming from on this.

Stuff like this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JxnUW7Wk4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa

[Rolepgeek]

...The only things in there I find actually questionable as to her moral character, considering you're calling her an asshole, is the question of where the unaccounted-for money went and maybe the stuff about glorifying suffering, though I'm not sure how accurate that is, considering the source material they're finding.

The rest is explained by incompetence or being Catholic. The guilt by association and the colonialism/racism stuff seems like bullshit.

Also, Christopher Hitchens is specifically an Anti-Theist. I question his impartiality of reporting.

[Descan]

Given how much she's sanctified in media (Hah, pun!) it feels fitting to counterweight that enormous bias by calling her an asshole. She's somewhere in the middle, and I personally lean more towards the "Not actually a good person" side of that line.

[Loud Whispers]

Given how much he's villified in media (Hah, no pun!) it feels fitting to counterweight that enormous bias by calling Hitler a saint. He's somewhere in the middle, and I personally lean more towards the "Not actually a bad person" side of that line.

This is not a very logical way of calling people assholes

[Rolan7]

She's literally held up as a cross-denominational avatar of perfect generosity, and she wasn't anywhere close.  But I see your point.

But, even if she didn't have this reputation, it's fair to call her an asshole for much of what she did.  Doesn't sum up her entire character, obviously, but I've called people "asshole" over far less.

Her false reputation is just why it's still worth talking about so long after the fact.

[Orange Wizard]

She's literally held up as a cross-denominational avatar of perfect generosity

Not really sure where you're getting this, it's mostly Catholics

[Frumple]

Nah, the sentiment is pretty strong in the U.S., too.

[Orange Wizard]

I vote to excommunicate the US

[Loud Whispers]

You can't vote to excommunicate someone

[Orange Wizard]

I'm voting to excommunicate 300 million someones, actually

[Loud Whispers]

but why would you want excommunication, surely you want morecommunication

[Rolepgeek]

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