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[Teneb]

I'd also like to point out that they are also part of the Lustria Thunderdome, as an NPC faction of course though the Sisters at the very least can also teleport down there to take part in the free-for-all.

[Persus13]

Yeah, WE got toned down because when they were initially introduced they would take over everything.

[nenjin]

Well (the Lustriadome aside) they appear to give no actual fucks about the state of the Warhammer world. My friend and I basically razed the entire Empire, Bretonnia, Estalia, etc....but left the WE alone, and they were content to just sit in their forests while the entire world burned around them. (They were also at war with both of us.)

[Burnt Pies]

Back when the DLC was new, they were referred to as Green Chaos. It wasn't uncommon to have them confed, eat the entirety of bretonnia and show up in the Empire with 4 full stacks by turn 30-40. That's why their aggression is nerfed into the ground.

I kinda hope we can see a middle ground with this dlc, they're a flavourful faction and I'd like to fight them outside of the same forest maps every time.

[Dostoevsky]

Under the Steam Autumn sale all the WH1 DLC and most of the WH2 DLC is half off, so might be a decent time to pick up the wood elf DLC. Get a better campaign mechanic for the original DLC and the Drycha faction (if I'm understanding it correctly). $10 is still a tad on the pricey end for DLC, though.

[Persus13]

It looks like its around $8.50 over at Fanatical.

[Jopax]

The campaign details are up all over YT, plenty of gameplay too. Gotta say, the WE stuff looks fun and involved, the Throt less so. And I don't mean the lab stuff, that looks like buff gambling and promises super fun/broken things if played around with. His Vortex campaign seems kinda shitty tbh, you're stuck in the north and your mission is to take certain settlements in a given number of turns (limit goes up when you take one of the settlements in question), this means you gotta be aggressive and rush things while at the same time being in a very nasty starting position with a bunch of DE around you. Oh and when you do take your first target, the WE area nearby starts sending armies after you.

I guess it's a change of pace from the regular campaign stuff but I'm not a fan of time-limited things like this, too much stress for me.

His ME start looks decent enough tho.

[Teneb]

Patch notes are out!

Going to do my highlights below, with commentary, but won't highlight anything that we don't already know (like how amber is no longer the horrible mechanic that it was):

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Military recruitment and garrison buildings have been consolidated, reducing the total number of buildings required to access the full roster.
This is for Wood Elves, and is a welcome change.

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Dryads, Tree Kin and Treemen in Durthu and Drycha’s factions will have access to Aspects. These are purchasable upgrades for units that alter its role by increasing certain stats at a cost of others. Each unit has access to three Aspects:

*Willow, which increases base damage and defence at a cost of armour-piercing damage
*Oak, which improves armour and charge defence at a cost of speed
*Birch, which improves armour-piercing damage but reduces physical resistance.

Unlike Greenskin Scrap upgrades, units are not tied to a single Aspect. For a small amount of Gold they can switch between them, allowing them to adapt to the foe they currently face in campaign.

Ancient Treemen and Branchwraiths in all Wood Elf factions now draw from a separate pool of potential character traits to regular lords, called Spites. Each Spite offers a powerful campaign effect and battle ability.
A very nice change that was not advertised at all.

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The Tree Kin have duly been milked for their delicious sap
Finally

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Mazdamundi now receives the same benefits as other Second-Generation Slann
Big frog is now an even better pick

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*Clan Rictus now starts with an undercity beneath Crookback Mountain in Mortal Empires
*The Clan Mors Headquarters building now also provides Chieftain Hero recruitment
Just a nice buff for Queek and a... thing that exists I guess for Tretch.

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*The High Elf ‘Hunters’ military recruitment chain has been merged with the ‘Handmaiden’s Gallery’:
**An additional Tier 2 building has been added to the chain allowing for earlier recruitment of Great Eagles
**Alarielle retains a separate, tier 3 building for recruitment of Sisters of Avelorn
This is absolutely a campaign buff for HElves, and especially for the eagles.

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HELMAN GHORST
Faction effects:
*Removed +13 charge bonus for Corpse Cart units
*Added bound spell “Lesser Raise Dead” for corpse cart and mortis engine units.
Lord effect
*Added +15 armour for zombie units (Lord’s army)
Ghorst is now actually incredibly good. Every corpse cart and mortis engine is now also free zombies.

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UNGRIM IRONFIST
Lord effect:

Now grants +5 melee attack to slayers, down from +10.
Ungrim’s “Journey’s end” ability for slayers now disables at 75% hitpoints remaining instead of 50%.
Sad slayer noises

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Characters are generally much sturdier on their feet, some notably sturdy characters (Ungrim! He can brace now too!) are almost impossible to knock down
This is a buff for Sigvald, Grimgor and Vlad mainly.

[Persus13]

There's also some QoL stuff added, like being able to abandon settlements and set the difficulty of the Chaos invasion.

[nenjin]

Chaos invasion on Legendary difficulty is now, for us regular mortals, pretty fuckin cray. 12 armies in the first wave, _30_ armies in the second wave.

I've been watching a shit load of Legend of Total War, watching him save "doomed" battles and campaigns. He mowed down the new Chaos invasion with Clan Moulder no real problems, but I think most would be spooked seeing that shit spawn.

[Jopax]

Was he cheesing the warpbomb brood horrors? That shit looks both utterly broken and stupidly fun. Just running in stupid fast monsters that can go boom on command and then they can keep on being stupid fast monsters afterwards.

[Teneb]

Chaos invasion on Legendary difficulty is now, for us regular mortals, pretty fuckin cray. 12 armies in the first wave, _30_ armies in the second wave.

I've been watching a shit load of Legend of Total War, watching him save "doomed" battles and campaigns. He mowed down the new Chaos invasion with Clan Moulder no real problems, but I think most would be spooked seeing that shit spawn.

Archaon was buffed to give +3% weapon and missile strength to all units in this upcoming patch. This will actually have an impact in the Chaos invasion.

[Dostoevsky]

Patch notes are out!

The company rep on reddit mentioned that there will likely be a Part 2 patch notes tomorrow detailing the more granular unit balance changes, by the by.

[nenjin]

Was he cheesing the warpbomb brood horrors? That shit looks both utterly broken and stupidly fun. Just running in stupid fast monsters that can go boom on command and then they can keep on being stupid fast monsters afterwards.

He was doing some of that. The other was using a single hero in hiding to blow them up with Plague and other stuff.

[Dostoevsky]

Here's the part 2 of the patch notes, focused on unit balancing changes. Most of the length is lord (especially foot lord) changes/buffs, while most of the unit changes look relatively minor. Biggest change looks to be a refactoring of zombie pirate gunnery mobs, lowering the model count while fiddling with the stats to make their overall ranged threat the same - just a little more flimsy as a tarpit.

The buffs to chaos units, combined with the new Archaeon faction buffs, will probably make chaos invasion armies a little more tricky to deal with (setting aside LegendofTotalWar cheese, at least).

Surprised to see no new buffs for poor ol' War Wagons.

Oh, also some magic got nerfed. Burning Head and Penumbral Pendulum in particular.