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[Cthulhu]

I love grimgor so this is all great news for me

[scriver]

I'm doing a Grimgor greenskin rework run right now.

I just wanted to share that the name of my first WAAAAAAGH army spawned general is called Hack Bootlicka. And that is beautiful.

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Spoiler: Also, they know just how to play to my heart's desires (click to show/hide)

[Tack]

Apparently streamers have found out that Grimgor's Immortulz banner is now incredibly OP.

How OP? The unit with that banner cannot lose models while leadership is over 50%. Now imagine that on the Krimson Killaz

WHAT ZE FUK. Holy shit. Well... I guess it's actually really good now.

Yeah. Pairing that with how much Grimgor got buffed (I forget the specifics, but I know his mass is now big enough you need the super big kids like Kholek and Durthu to actually knock him over), the Greenskin Rework (which includes Norsca-style confederation) and the reworked Badlands and dwarf starts (pretty much all the minor dwarfs that had multiple settlements were reduced to having just one) will make Black Crag an amazing start. Truly the one and future git.

Now hold on, they can still lose HP, so you'd likely end up with a unit of 1HP krimzon Killaz who are just waiting for the Ld tipping point before they up and suddenly die.

[scriver]

Well apparently now I have to start over

[LordPorkins]

My only gripe is that it shows regular Black Orcs with shields.

I want my impossible-to-kill boys from the tabletop back up dammit.

[LordPorkins]

Hey, so, felt like running Norsca, booted them up.

The Marauder Chieftans skill tree has been completely Janked for some reason since the Warden and the Paunch Update,
-All mount options except basic Horse are gone
-Unique God Dedication skills are gone, which is HUGE! One of my favorite things about Norsca was that you could get like +50% Casualty regen, perfect for far-off rampages.

And, weirdest of all (And what cements my hunch that this is a bug)

-One of the blue skills is for Horde Growth. You know. For Hordes. That thing that Norsca doesn’t have.

And strangely, it’s STILL like this, and I’ve only found 2 forum threads about it. CA haven’t even addressed it saying they’re working on it. It’s a shame because I think Norsca is one of the best campaigns without being overly complicated. Anyone got any idea what’s going on?

[Persus13]

CA said back in the summer that the next lord pack would be the Wood Elves and a Warhammer II faction, and today they released the trailer for that DLC, the Twisted and the Twilight, to release on December 3rd.

The DLC introduces Throt the Unclean of Clan Moulder vs. the Sisters of Twilight, plus the usual new units like Brood Horrors, Zoats, Stag Knights, and two new Legendary Heroes, Goritch and Ariel.

Youtube Trailer
Announcement/FAQ
Steam Page


There's also some FreeLC stuff coming in the form of a Skaven Chieftan Hero (and a Glade Captain for Wood Elves) and a new Wood Elf LL called Drycha, and Wood Elves will get a rework that mostly removes the Amber mechanic, gives them the ability to teleport between forest regions, and gives them a new mechanic based around healing forests.

[Mephansteras]

Well, that sounds neat. Might pick that one up for the wood elf campaign.

[scriver]

Oh hey neat I've always wanted to play Wood Elves but always Got my butt kicked by the goatmen. Maybe now j might actually be able to win as them.

[nenjin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sREwbDrENaU

Khazrak weeps. (I love this dude's TW2 shit posts. The Beastmen ones are especially poignant.)

[Dostoevsky]

While more variety of skaven is nice, I'm not sure they really needed it? Not like beastmen, at least.

(Although owning neither the wood elf or beastmen DLC, I don't have much stake in this. This one will be an easy pass or wait for sale for me, think.)

The wood elf rework does make me more interested in picking up the wood elf DLC next time it's on sale, at least.

[nenjin]

Beastmen are really painful to play. Super slow economy, trash T1 and T2 units for the most part. Weak ranged. Bullshit tech tree that costs them money to prevent their research rate from dropping. Can't replenish if you can't go into Hidden (Ambush) Encampment stance. The army lives and dies by upkeep cost reductions or it's not viable, and that requires upgrading your main building in the herd to Level 3, so you can build another building for 15% or so reduction, then to 5 for an upgrade to that building for a 50% upkeep reduction.  For reference, Chaos' main building just gives upkeep reduction.

Even in SP it's a rough start. In MP you'll get roflstomped by pretty much any other faction who can spin up faster.

About the only thing it has going for it is Khazark can essentially get "Freestigor" units because he gets massive upkeep and recruitment cost reductions to Beastigors. But that still requires a T5 building, and the upkeep reduction building to be in place.

I just played a campaign with a friend who was running Chaos, and he was literally at max efficiency (doomstacks of Chosen) by turn 50 while I was barely able to field one competent army. The weakness of initial Beastmen units is the first hurdle they have to overcome as a faction, and it comes with just shit loads of unnecessary costs and complications. (Beast moons basically demand that you take a big penalty for a so-so bonus you don't want or need at the time, and it's non-negotiable. +20 growth for no replenishment for example, or instant replenishment for -20 growth.)

If you're not competing with anyone in coop or vs. and want an extra-hardmode hobo start, then play Beastmen. But you'll feel outclassed by every other faction for dozens and dozens and dozens of turns playing them until you get over all the hurdles they put in the way of the faction.

Ironically they were the first faction I played in TW2, because I love Beastmen. So I had no idea how bad they were until I came back a year later and tried out, like, Skaven, who literally shit out money everywhere and their T2 units (Eshin) can carry them almost all the way through the end game.

[Persus13]

CA's been focusing on doing lord packs for a base game faction from game II and a faction from game 1 for awhile now, so a beastman/wood elf DLC wouldn't really fit that model (Also CA mentioned the next lord pack would be wood elves + base Warhammer II faction last summer).

Its funny how different things are now as I remember a few years ago people declaring that CA hated Skaven and hadn't given them enough content.

[nenjin]

They overhauled the orcs so they didn't suck. It's just a question if or when they'll do it for Beastmen.

Its funny how different things are now as I remember a few years ago people declaring that CA hated Skaven and hadn't given them enough content.

Eshin is kinda disgustingly good. Cheap fire-while moving skirmishers with armor piercing rounds AND the decent melee combatant trait. I didn't believe my friend when he said armies of night runners and gutter runners can flatten almost anything, but damn me if he wasn't right. About their only nemesis is war machines. I suppose they are a little pricey to start out with but when you aren't replacing them constantly.....

[Persus13]

I mean, Wood Elves I've heard more complaints about than orcs or empire, although both of them probably deserved their overhauls. I imagine dwarves and beastman are on the list to get reworked, if not in game 2, maybe with game 3.

Eshin I don't have their DLC yet so I haven't had the chance to check out. They also were the second Skaven DLC faction and most of the complaints I recall were before either had happened. And now people are complaining about more Skaven.