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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19230 on: June 11, 2016, 07:28:29 am »

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In one well remembered story, Examiner reporter Winifred Black was admitted into a San Francisco hospital and discovered that indigent women were treated with "gross cruelty." The entire hospital staff was fired the morning the piece appeared.

If only things moved as quickly now as back then.

People do get fired when the internet outrage machine gets going.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19231 on: June 11, 2016, 07:32:36 am »

They also get fired for saying things on the internet
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19232 on: June 11, 2016, 07:48:15 am »

people do. Most people in a professional role though are smart enough to not say publicly something that'll get you fired or at least not in a way that is traceable. That shit's not even something new for all that people act like it is.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19233 on: June 11, 2016, 10:30:22 am »

And these days there would be a three year investigation eventually narrowing down the blame to two junior doctors, who by an amazing stroke of coincidence were union reps, and they'd be fired.

Back then 'job security' was only a thing for the elite. Everyone else by and large just picked up their stuff and left to go find another job when the boss told them they were fired.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19234 on: June 11, 2016, 05:09:49 pm »

I suspect the reason UNASUR never gets reported on is simply because South America in general holds no real importance for most people in the United States; why would it?

That said, Kuczynski (former Amurican citizen, economic liberal in the international sense) beat Fujimori 2.0, get outta here miss "Trying To Ride On My Father's Personality Cult Long After He Went To Jail For Corruption"

I mean, it was nearly successful, given that she evidently got 49.9% of the vote
but it wasn't quite enough

and Ollanta Humala, the current Bolivarian president, got smacked in the runoffs in the first place, ahaha
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19235 on: June 11, 2016, 05:35:29 pm »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_South_American_Nations
UNASUR: GDP $US4 trillion dollars, population 414 million. Members: every fucking country in South America (not counting some small UK colonies).
Explain yourself, where is this clay?
Sorry I was mixing up French Guiana and British Guiana. British Guiana declared independence, but are still subjects of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II of England. So, arguably still under British rule. They are also part of UNASUR. French Guiana are directly a French territory, so they couldn't join UNASUR.
Guyana are not subjects of HM Queen Elizabeth II, they're a Parliamentary Republic and even the Commonwealth Realms with Queen Elizabeth as their official heads of states are clearly not under British rule, being fully independent sovereign states.

So, it's in the biased coverage, or lack of coverage, of important events from Latin America ("don't mention UNASUR" and printing blatant BS about Hugo Chavez) that you can peer through the curtain and see the gears clunking along in the so-called "liberal" side of the corporate media. As far as corporate media goes, "lib" and "con" represent two factions of a wealthy elite class with different worldviews. But they share US corporate interests as a shared interest, so that bias pervades all corporate media.
There are a hell of a lot more factions than liberals and conservatives, of which the wealthy elite do not particularly care much about. It helps when influencing politics to diversify your owned politicians, thus one would be a fool to not own both sides, in reality not being more than two faces on the same penny lol

To a lot of Americans though, South America is still more than third world and less than 1st world.
To use a phrase often used to describe SE Asia, 1st world nations with 3rd world maintenance

What about the Falklands?
British Overseas Territory

Well I guess we could count that too, if we count Falklands as part of South America. I'm guessing that the UK wouldn't want it to "count" as part of the continent because it's not actually joined. But plenty of islands in Europe are counted as part of Europe, and Japan, Taiwan and Philippines are all part of "Asia", so there's no much of a consistent reason not to count Falklands as part of South America. It's certainly part of the "Americas", and if you split that into North, Central and South Americas, it's clearly in the South.
Nah you've confused terminology of convenience with terminology of geography. For example we refer to the European Continent as the great big landmass of mainland Europe whilst referring to the British Isles separately, but if you look at our maps of Europe, lo and behold the British Isles are of the European Continent. Same way as the Falklands being referred to as the Archipelago off the South American Continent or even how the Chinese differentiate between mainland and islanders

EDIT: To give an idea of the under-reporting about UNASUR, which is one of the biggest political developments in the Western Hemishpere in decades, this is the nytimes seach for all articles containing "unasur"
A political development has to actually develop for it to be a development

Meanwhile, "Kardiashian" gets 1086 hits, in the same time period.
http://query.nytimes.com/search/sitesearch/#/kardashian/from20070101to20161212/allresults/2/allauthors/oldest/
Americans care more about Kardashians than geopolitical ambitions m8 $$$$$$

Nothing's happening with UNASUR
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Victoria Murillo told me, “Brazil to UNASUR is like Germany to the EU. Success will depend on member countries’ willingness to accept Brazil as a leader.” For UNASUR to come together Brazil will need to take on more of a leadership role, working with other member-countries to lower trade barriers and create a common market.

Joao Castro Neves, a Brazil analyst at the Eurasia Group, a political risk consultancy recently told me that in the short term UNASUR’s institutionalization “will be very slow and incremental” and the group will “remain a forum for dialogue in the foreseeable future.”

UNASUR will remain an effective forum for South American diplomatic relations, but it’s not likely to become the European Union any time soon.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanielparishflannery/2012/11/30/can-south-america-become-the-new-european-union/#46781ed337e9
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19236 on: June 11, 2016, 06:29:29 pm »

Geographically, the Falkland Islands may be South American by virtue of being part of the same continental shelf (just as the UK is a part of Europe as a geographic continent for much the same reason), but for a political discussion such as that being held at present here, I don't believe either the Falklanders, British, or Argentines are all that interested in seeing them being tied to South American institutions such as Mercosul or UNASUL (except insofar as the last wouldn't mind seeing it as South American were it to become such under Argentine suzerainty, and they'll tell you as much whenever their popularity takes a dip).  Indeed, as a pointed reminder to the UK, Mercosul banned Falkland-flagged merchant ships back in 2011, and I haven't seen any repudiation of that policy since.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19237 on: June 11, 2016, 06:35:49 pm »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_South_American_Nations
UNASUR: GDP $US4 trillion dollars, population 414 million. Members: every fucking country in South America (not counting some small UK colonies).
Explain yourself, where is this clay?
Sorry I was mixing up French Guiana and British Guiana. British Guiana declared independence, but are still subjects of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II of England. So, arguably still under British rule. They are also part of UNASUR. French Guiana are directly a French territory, so they couldn't join UNASUR.
Guyana are not subjects of HM Queen Elizabeth II, they're a Parliamentary Republic and even the Commonwealth Realms with Queen Elizabeth as their official heads of states are clearly not under British rule, being fully independent sovereign states.

What about the Falklands?
British Overseas Territory
The territories in question are, besides Malvinas Falklands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands, belonging to the UK; French Guyana, that is part of France (so we do have a land border with le France); Aruba, Bonaire and Curaçao, all belonging to the Netherlands.

Look, though, if people want us to be South Germany all they gotta do is give us that delicious Cisplatine Uruguayan Cisplaguayan clay back. Damn secessionists.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19239 on: June 11, 2016, 11:37:27 pm »

I dont think there is anything stopping a convicted criminal from being president. dog from playing basketball.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19240 on: June 12, 2016, 05:44:11 am »

Corruption in Florida's legal system? Say it ain't so!

Still kinda' curious exactly how that DA got several of the political appointees in the town I was living in out of that pedophilia investigation, though. Like, I get the why, I'd just be interested in knowing the mechanics behind it. Is neat hat trick, if, y'know, morally repugnant.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19241 on: June 12, 2016, 07:48:48 am »

I dont think there is anything stopping a convicted criminal from being president. dog from playing basketball.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19242 on: June 12, 2016, 08:27:29 am »

20 people are dead and another 20 or so wounded in a suspected terrorist attack in a nightclub in Orlando, Florida.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/06/12/shooting-orlando-club/85785254/

Naturally, ideologues started climbing out of the woodwork pushing politics within minutes, with no regard for the victims or their families. Let's see if we can avoid that for a few hours.

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19243 on: June 12, 2016, 08:45:28 am »

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19244 on: June 12, 2016, 08:50:10 am »

It's a gay nightclub, so it could be Christians.....
But they mentioned already suspecting Muslims so I guess it wasn't a white guy?
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