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Author Topic: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée  (Read 1550650 times)

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16665 on: April 20, 2016, 06:15:48 pm »

I wish they had.  Jackson is worst president.  Yeah, even worse then Rutherford B Hayes.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16666 on: April 20, 2016, 06:20:47 pm »

I wish they had.  Jackson is worst president.  Yeah, even worse then Rutherford B Hayes.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16667 on: April 20, 2016, 06:23:16 pm »

Mostly the forced relocation of the Cherokee, which turned into something little short of a death march - although to be fair there's no indication that it was intended to be one.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16668 on: April 20, 2016, 06:24:55 pm »

He was also kind of a tyrannical douche, and had a penchant for challenging anyone on Capitol Hill he disagreed with to a duel, which he invariably won.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16669 on: April 20, 2016, 06:39:39 pm »

Hell, if Grant gets a place on the 50, Jackson should get a place on the 20.

Andrew Jackson was a hero in every single war he could find. When he was thirteen, he was captured by the British during the Revolution, and slashed multiple times with a sword when he refused to clean an officers boots. He won one of the most lopsided military victories in American history at New Orleans, and single-handedly brought Florida into the Union.

As for the Cherokee, it is extremely clear that it wasn't meant to be a death march. Jackson wasn't an "Indian killer," and much of the damage of the Trail of Tears was caused by the van Buren administration completely screwing the pooch.

Regardless: Jackson is, in my opinion, one of the greatest American presidents, and for one very simple reason: Universal manhood suffrage. His push for manhood suffrage turned the U.S. from an oligarchy to a distant relative of a democracy, and opened the door for women's suffrage, black suffrage, etc.

Also: First Irish-American President.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16670 on: April 20, 2016, 06:39:54 pm »

I did, however, appreciate the irony of having someone who considered "killing the Bank" among his biggest accomplishments having his mug splattered on one of their notes.  I will miss that a bit. 

But yeah, Ol' Hickory signed the Indian Removal Act that led to the Trail of Tears, then refused to enforce the Supreme Court decision that would have prevented Georgia from enforcing its laws on the Cherokee lands, though he probably can't be blamed for active malice in it.  He killed the Second Bank of the United States based on the idea it was working for moneyed interests at the expense of the "common man", which led to deregulation, wildcatting, and cyclic recessions/banking panics that wouldn't end until the Federal Reserve.  His Specie Circular, intended to stop land speculation by requiring hard gold or silver, instead set off the Panic of 1837, and he refused to back down even when it was clear there simply wasn't enough specie in circulation.  His attempt to stop office "inheritance" by enforcing the term limits (on the books since 1820) on appointed offices was intended to reduce nepotism and ensure democracy in the bureaucracy, but instead resulted in the spoils system.  That said, he also smacked South Carolina hard when they tried to pull nullification shenanigans, an act that compares favorably to Buchanan and the Confederacy decades later, and generally pursued a very successful foreign policy of trade engagement in Europe.  He ushered in the era of Jacksonian democracy as well, shifting the power locus of American democracy by greatly enlarging the franchise from landowners and moneyed sorts to all white males (well, it was the early 19th century...baby steps, here).  I wouldn't say he's the worst president ever, but he's certainly not among the best. 
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16671 on: April 20, 2016, 06:42:33 pm »

Universal manhood suffrage.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16672 on: April 20, 2016, 06:45:02 pm »

Universal manhood suffrage.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16673 on: April 20, 2016, 07:05:19 pm »

Andrew Jackson was a hero in every single war he could find.

So what?  If fighting in every war you can find is all we want out of a president then let's put Dubya on the 20.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16674 on: April 20, 2016, 07:09:51 pm »

Andrew Jackson was a hero in every single war he could find.

So what?  If fighting in every war you can find is all we want out of a president then let's put Dubya on the 20.
Dubya didn't fight. Starting wars isn't at all the same as serving in them.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16675 on: April 20, 2016, 07:11:55 pm »

"fighting in every war you can find"

We all know that geography was never Dubya's strong suit.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16676 on: April 20, 2016, 07:49:21 pm »

You're being pedantic to prove your point.
The dubya bashing I can get behind, though.
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« Reply #16677 on: April 20, 2016, 08:01:50 pm »

When does Reagan get his own note?

EDIT: I see they're getting onto that with a coin this year.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16678 on: April 20, 2016, 08:34:13 pm »

You're being pedantic to prove your point.

I had a point?
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16679 on: April 20, 2016, 08:46:22 pm »

And of course, Carson thinks Harriet should go on the 2 dollar bill: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/ben-carson-harriet-tubman-twenty-bill-222218

Do you know how rare the $2 bill is? The first time I saw one was years ago, over 10 years I'm pretty sure. Never saw another one since.

Sure she's next to George Washington, but putting her on a bill that is that rare seems like an insult.
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