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Author Topic: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée  (Read 1580460 times)

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16170 on: April 09, 2016, 11:06:13 pm »

Yeah, that dumb do-nuthin congress deprived Puerto Rico of it's statehood.

Apparently Obama did set up funding for a referendum which can be done at any time.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16171 on: April 09, 2016, 11:08:24 pm »

Is there any reason not to make Puerto Rico a state?
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16172 on: April 09, 2016, 11:10:30 pm »

Is there any reason not to make Puerto Rico a state?

No non-political reason that I know of, no. Even their economic problems right now shouldn't be too much of a barrier to entry.

As for political reasons, uh, to spit in Obamas face, because it'll add more democratic party voters and give the dems an additional leg up, or make up some bogus reason that makes sense to republicans.
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« Reply #16173 on: April 09, 2016, 11:11:11 pm »

What will their political parties do once they're a state? They're each based around a different answer to the question: statehood, independence, or what-we-already-are, according to wikipedia.

I could see folks in Congress not wanting to admit them if they thought it would give the other party more votes in the senate.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16174 on: April 09, 2016, 11:15:26 pm »

Theres already people there who identify as Republican or Democrat, so, some will go under the Republican tent, others the Democrat tent, the rest probably as independents.

The fact that the Republicans alienated Hispanics is all their own fault really, so, if a Puerto Rico state goes solidly Democrat, the Republicans have themselves to blame.
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« Reply #16175 on: April 10, 2016, 12:06:25 am »

I liked that Star Trek discussion. Do we have a sci-fi discussion thread?
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16176 on: April 10, 2016, 12:18:54 am »

Is there any reason not to make Puerto Rico a state?

There are seven reasons; the two Senators they would get and the five congressional representatives they would get.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16177 on: April 10, 2016, 12:19:56 am »

I liked that Star Trek discussion. Do we have a sci-fi discussion thread?
Not that I know of.  You should make one.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16178 on: April 10, 2016, 12:20:45 am »

So mostly just undemocratic shittery then.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16179 on: April 10, 2016, 12:21:36 am »

I dunno, they are playing by the rules.  The constitution very clearly grants them the right to drag their feet over this.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16180 on: April 10, 2016, 01:11:23 am »

I dunno, they are playing by the rules.  The constitution very clearly grants them the right to drag their feet over this.

They can definitely be undemocratic while still following the rules. Clearly what that means is we need to change the rules.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16181 on: April 10, 2016, 01:19:12 am »

But it's not exactly democratic to agree to a set of rules (implicitly or explicitly) and then make major revisions.  Democracy isn't the same as majoritarian, even when the majority is justified.
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« Reply #16182 on: April 10, 2016, 01:23:56 am »

Why do you presume that I want said change to be outside of the normal, legal, channels?
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16183 on: April 10, 2016, 01:57:17 am »

Attended a neat meeting thingamabob with a bunch of candidates for various stuff in and out of my state today, very interesting.

One of the old dudes there was largely basing his platform upon "I've been around for like 25 years, please vote for me. Also REPUBLICAN AGENDA ITEMS IN A DEMOCRAT MEETING, suddenly agree with me pl0x." Very amusing, got lots of boos. :V Also a relative of mine is going to be county commissioner and I briefly talked to the governor.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #16184 on: April 10, 2016, 01:57:52 am »

Why do you presume that I want said change to be outside of the normal, legal, channels?
Presumably because the guys in charge will drag their feet over it.
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