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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #4995 on: October 07, 2015, 02:30:19 pm »

I want to get off of Mr. Boehner's wild ride.

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The last time it took multiple ballots to elect a speaker was 1923, when it took nine, and in the 19th century it took as long as two months for the House to agree on a leader. This year, the House just doesn’t have that kind of time. Congress must lift the debt limit to avoid a first-ever default within a week of the scheduled election for speaker, according to the Treasury Department, and it must pass another spending bill by December 11 to prevent a government shutdown.

BUCKLE YOUR SEATBELTS BOYS

Constitutionally do we even need a Speaker of the House? The position olny seems to be strictly necessary if he president becomes incapacitated.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #4996 on: October 07, 2015, 02:36:42 pm »

Well, the House has the right to determine its own House Rules. And I'm fairly certain they require a Speaker to be able to do anything.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #4997 on: October 07, 2015, 02:37:59 pm »

Dammit, how can people chose the bland that is Clinton over the awesome-sauce that is Elizibeth Warren?  This poll is rigged.

I think Clinton may have a better chance of winning the general election than Warren or Sanders, even though I think they'd both be better than her. Mostly due to name recognition and the fact that Sanders is hampered by the fact that a large segmemt of the voting population is still brainwashed by cold war era propaganda. Clinton is worse than Warren but better than whatever Republican might be elected if we don't put forth a strong candidate
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #4998 on: October 07, 2015, 02:40:07 pm »

Well, the House has the right to determine its own House Rules. And I'm fairly certain they require a Speaker to be able to do anything.
Indeed.  The only way to change it would be to change the rules of order, and that would be opening an even bigger hornets' nest than simply choosing a new one. 
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #4999 on: October 07, 2015, 03:19:56 pm »

Is Boehner just trolling deciding to step down at this moment in time, or was he up for re-election for Majority Leader, or what?

Because as far as the Republican establishment goes, his timing was damn inconvenient for them.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5000 on: October 07, 2015, 03:24:38 pm »

I want to get off of Mr. Boehner's wild ride.

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BUCKLE YOUR SEATBELTS BOYS

Bohener could have just postponed it, but he didn't.

At least in todays lightning fast wired and wirelessed world, we don't have to wait for word to get to people.

'parliamentary chess moves' in that article, wut. I think saying congressional or just political would have worked fine. Meh, just me nitpicking.

Is Boehner just trolling deciding to step down at this moment in time, or was he up for re-election for Majority Leader, or what?

Because as far as the Republican establishment goes, his timing was damn inconvenient for them.

I suspect it's a major troll on Boheners part, yes. Heck, even the timing of the election, he COULD have postponed it, but nope, he decided not to.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5001 on: October 07, 2015, 03:26:05 pm »

Is Boehner just trolling deciding to step down at this moment in time, or was he up for re-election for Majority Leader, or what?

Because as far as the Republican establishment goes, his timing was damn inconvenient for them.
It honestly really does look like either the Pope convinced him to step down, or that meeting the Pope gave him an existential crisis. Not a common part of politics at this level, but I don't think it's impossible he legitimately wants out.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5002 on: October 07, 2015, 03:27:43 pm »

I'm going to add a filter to my browser to replace "shutdown" with "shitstorm."

Does it bother anyone else that procedural conflicts in the fossilized wing of the US legislature alone could cause so much trouble?

Hopefully the entire federal government will collapse and when the New California Republic rises from the ashes we'll take some time to make a functional legislative body.

It's not so much the procedural conflicts than the sheer timing.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5003 on: October 07, 2015, 04:07:04 pm »

If it weren't for the debt ceiling coming up, they could indeed wrassle 'til the cows come home, for all anyone would expect much to come out of the House.  Thankfully, Boehner doesn't actually retire until the 30th (what he's given is basically just advance notice), and that article includes indications from the Rules Committee that he would remain as what would essentially be a lame duck should the expected difficulties in finding a successor materialize, given that he placed the vote for his successor before his retirement.   In other words, postponing it is exactly what he could still do. 
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5004 on: October 07, 2015, 04:52:41 pm »

It's not a troll, he was planning on resigning in November anyway. I think he's resigning now, partially because he's accomplished his life goal of meeting the pope, and partially because he just doesn't see a reason to take all of the abuse he'll get for stopping the shutdown.

Clinton is worse than Warren but better than whatever Republican might be elected if we don't put forth a strong candidate
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srsly though. quash kasich is great.

  • Not gonna be stupid about gay marriage.
  • Give illegal immigrants amnesty if they pay a fine.
  • Believes climate change is a problem. (although, being small government, he probably won't do much about it. Maybe just a little.)
  • He's not against the safety net.

    "I’m concerned about the fact there seems to be a war on the poor."

kasich is not insasich.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5005 on: October 07, 2015, 05:00:09 pm »

Theres rumblings that the conservatives are backing Daniel Webster of Florida more and more.

Looking at the guy in wikipedia, his early years are a bit interesting, but he seems to be your typical far-right religious conservative. Going to see if I can find out more.

kasich is not insasich.

That's a bad pun, just bad......
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5006 on: October 07, 2015, 05:01:06 pm »

Believes climate change is a problem. (although, being small government, he probably won't do much about it. Maybe just a little.)
So he wants to destroy the world, gotcha.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5007 on: October 07, 2015, 05:07:49 pm »

Less than the other republicans, though! Somewhat. It's a plus.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5008 on: October 07, 2015, 05:15:29 pm »

Hm, that Daniel Webster seems to be okayish, for a republican anyway, doesn't look like he is in the far right area or tea partier, aside from his position on abortion and religion in schools. A skim didn't seem to find anything that stands out.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5009 on: October 07, 2015, 05:35:39 pm »

Doesn't he only care about the poor when seone else is doing along with the funding?
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