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Author Topic: No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets to explore  (Read 148939 times)

Chiefwaffles

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Re: No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets to explore
« Reply #1080 on: August 22, 2016, 10:59:48 am »

Welcome to how I feel on the Starbound thread.
Except this is totally justified
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Re: No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets to explore
« Reply #1081 on: August 22, 2016, 01:56:16 pm »

Why not rename the refund thread into "No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 false promises to disprove"

Then people who want to talk about the game itself can, and the people who want to talk about the other stuff can do that there. 

Whether or not the game is a hollow shell of what it was sold as, people are playing it, and want to talk about the actual game, so it would be good to let them have a place to do so.
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Re: No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets to explore
« Reply #1082 on: August 22, 2016, 01:58:06 pm »

And more and more I learn about this game.

Last time I thought the creators were being... intentionally misleading.

But... apparently I was giving them too much credit as, apparently, they outright lied right to the players.

And by lying I mean saying "X is the case" when "X is not the case"... Not implying, hypothesizing, imagining, or anything like that... "This is the case" when it wasn't the case.

Honestly at this point the only way for me to get a lower opinion of the developers for this game... is if they literally held people at gunpoint and forced them to buy this game. That is how low it has got.

>_< They somehow bumped Starbound out of its #1 slot.

Why not rename the refund thread into "No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 false promises to disprove"

Then people who want to talk about the game itself can, and the people who want to talk about the other stuff can do that there. 

Whether or not the game is a hollow shell of what it was sold as, people are playing it, and want to talk about the actual game, so it would be good to let them have a place to do so.

Because originally when I made the "Refund thread" it was so people who were complaining could have some room to discuss and the people who liked the game wouldn't be constantly harassed by negativity. Mostly because I was REALLY REALLY pissed at the game and the developers but also noticed how tired people were of the complaining.

It is why the poll is kind of a joke.

What happened though was the people who liked the game migrated to the negativity thread in order to contest the negativity... making its existence sort of moot... But I guess I could spruce it up.
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Re: No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets to explore
« Reply #1083 on: August 22, 2016, 02:14:35 pm »

Why not rename the refund thread into "No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 false promises to disprove"

Then people who want to talk about the game itself can, and the people who want to talk about the other stuff can do that there. 

Whether or not the game is a hollow shell of what it was sold as, people are playing it, and want to talk about the actual game, so it would be good to let them have a place to do so.

You're free to do so here, but you can't arbitrarily divide the discussion just because you don't agree with what people are talking about. If the main area of discussion is the issues with the game then that's a fair discussion to have - if the game had other things that people were really interested, then people would talk about that instead.


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Re: No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets to explore
« Reply #1084 on: August 22, 2016, 03:26:11 pm »

yeah, just bring on the posts with your experiences, instead of meta complaining , that surely won't bring the discussion anywhere
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Re: No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets to explore
« Reply #1085 on: August 22, 2016, 03:56:32 pm »

I wouldn't even call it mislead, there were just outright lies.

Rather than having people on the Internet get into a boring flame war ("It's a lie!", "No it's not!"), I want the courts involved in the process...to decide what are and are not material statements, and exactly how much damage did Sean's quotes cause to the plaintiffs (if it actually caused damage). The problem seems to be that lawsuits are expensive and can take a lot of effort for very little benefit. And there's no guarantee that the plaintiffs would have a "slam-dunk case" here.

I don't know if a court can charge someone with lying about a game (maybe false advertising but that sounds like there are technicalities for that specific charge), but you don't need a court to look at the ridiculously long list of things that Sean directly said were going to be in it, and weren't, to realize that he was just lying. The only other possible argument would be that he said what he wanted to game to be, but there is still a difference between "Yes you will be able to do that in the game" and "That's what we are aiming for".
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Re: No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets to explore
« Reply #1086 on: August 22, 2016, 04:03:02 pm »

I guess the actual problem would be the post-relase claims, like when they said that multiplayer is in but the scale is too big to ever encounter anyone.
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Re: No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets to explore
« Reply #1087 on: August 22, 2016, 04:09:26 pm »

I wouldn't even call it mislead, there were just outright lies.

Rather than having people on the Internet get into a boring flame war ("It's a lie!", "No it's not!"), I want the courts involved in the process...to decide what are and are not material statements, and exactly how much damage did Sean's quotes cause to the plaintiffs (if it actually caused damage). The problem seems to be that lawsuits are expensive and can take a lot of effort for very little benefit. And there's no guarantee that the plaintiffs would have a "slam-dunk case" here.

I don't know if a court can charge someone with lying about a game (maybe false advertising but that sounds like there are technicalities for that specific charge), but you don't need a court to look at the ridiculously long list of things that Sean directly said were going to be in it, and weren't, to realize that he was just lying. The only other possible argument would be that he said what he wanted to game to be, but there is still a difference between "Yes you will be able to do that in the game" and "That's what we are aiming for".
According to this bloke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz1oFNUZ-P0

It's illegal in the UK, where Hello Games is.

I'm not a lawyer so...  8)

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Re: No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets to explore
« Reply #1088 on: August 22, 2016, 04:16:14 pm »

By the way Damiac, I'm not sure why you don't talk about the game too there.
I mean, I'm the first to say that I don't like this game, but that doesn't mean that I haven't played it 10-20 hours and can talk about it, or help you have fun with it :)
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Re: No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets to explore
« Reply #1089 on: August 22, 2016, 04:17:03 pm »

By the way if there is ever something I can jump into to get refunds on No Man's Sky beyond Steam Refund (which I accumulated 7 hours so I can't).

Please PM me. Honestly... it isn't even about the money so much that I don't think the developer deserves me 60 bucks.
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Re: No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets to explore
« Reply #1090 on: August 22, 2016, 04:18:23 pm »

By the way if there is ever something I can jump into to get refunds on No Man's Sky beyond Steam Refund (which I accumulated 7 hours so I can't).

Please PM me. Honestly... it isn't even about the money so much that I don't think the developer deserves me 60 bucks.
Have you tried requesting a refund anyway? A friend of mine got a refund and he had 5 hours of play time. Explain your reason in the refund request, worst they can do is say no.
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Re: No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets to explore
« Reply #1091 on: August 22, 2016, 04:19:14 pm »

By the way if there is ever something I can jump into to get refunds on No Man's Sky beyond Steam Refund (which I accumulated 7 hours so I can't).

Please PM me. Honestly... it isn't even about the money so much that I don't think the developer deserves me 60 bucks.
Have you tried requesting a refund anyway? A friend of mine got a refund and he had 5 hours of play time. Explain your reason in the refund request, worst they can do is say no.

Well now it is waaaaaaaaay too late ontop of that... >_<
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Re: No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets to explore
« Reply #1092 on: August 22, 2016, 04:21:13 pm »

From what I read on Reddit, you still can get a refund now, even with 10 hours played, as long as you complain... So you could still try :p
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« Reply #1093 on: August 22, 2016, 04:26:03 pm »

Ok I tried... I know it won't work because my reasoning is false advertisement... but still.
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Re: No Man's Sky - 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets to explore
« Reply #1094 on: August 22, 2016, 04:28:32 pm »

Hello games aren't the ones who do decide about the refund. Steam is. And they know it's a "shitty" release, where people will get angry if they can't refund.
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