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[Sergarr]

It is no longer a derail; it is its own thread. This can return to the mess it formerly was now.

I also made a point about how divorcing appearance from gameplay is not really good for gameplay since appearance indicates to players the nature of the creature or object, using the example of how in combat someone wearing invisible armour in a part of her body would have an unfair advantage since nobody would know that she was wearing it.

Eh, practically no games use hitboxes for combat anyway. It's just HP + armour modifier, and MAYBE extra damage for a headshot.

...what.

Like, all shooters use hitboxes! If that's "no games" for you, then I can safely assume you don't play a lot of FPS games. Do you?

[Caz]

Like, all shooters use hitboxes! If that's "no games" for you, then I can safely assume you don't play a lot of FPS games. Do you?

What FPS games have customisable armour? Never played one that when armour was picked up it didn't give a whole-body bonus.

[My Name is Immaterial]

It is no longer a derail; it is its own thread. This can return to the mess it formerly was now.

I also made a point about how divorcing appearance from gameplay is not really good for gameplay since appearance indicates to players the nature of the creature or object, using the example of how in combat someone wearing invisible armour in a part of her body would have an unfair advantage since nobody would know that she was wearing it.

Eh, practically no games use hitboxes for combat anyway. It's just HP + armour modifier, and MAYBE extra damage for a headshot.

...what.

Like, all shooters use hitboxes! If that's "no games" for you, then I can safely assume you don't play a lot of FPS games. Do you?

I'm pretty sure Caz meant different hitboxes, for legs, arms, etc, that had different resistance to damage.

[smeeprocket]

http://www.themarysue.com/talking-female-characters-friendzoning-and-representation-with-the-writers-of-borderlands-the-pre-sequel/

Here's an article on Borderlands and feminism, just to add to the topic.

I don't understand your point Urist. Are you saying it would be bad to not sexualize women on the basis of hitboxes? I... no I'm misinterpreting. Could you clarify?

[Caz]

It is no longer a derail; it is its own thread. This can return to the mess it formerly was now.

I also made a point about how divorcing appearance from gameplay is not really good for gameplay since appearance indicates to players the nature of the creature or object, using the example of how in combat someone wearing invisible armour in a part of her body would have an unfair advantage since nobody would know that she was wearing it.

Eh, practically no games use hitboxes for combat anyway. It's just HP + armour modifier, and MAYBE extra damage for a headshot.

...what.

Like, all shooters use hitboxes! If that's "no games" for you, then I can safely assume you don't play a lot of FPS games. Do you?

I'm pretty sure Caz meant different hitboxes, for legs, arms, etc, that had different resistance to damage.

Yeah, pretty much. I was trying to cover the point about men and women's armour being 'different' even though it was the same item - e.g. male armour gets full body coverage while the female armour has a boob window. To make it realistic, the argument was that the hitboxes for the female armour would have to be different. I was making the argument that no game goes this in-depth when it has armour anyway, so the point is a bit moot.

[TamerVirus]

Like, all shooters use hitboxes! If that's "no games" for you, then I can safely assume you don't play a lot of FPS games. Do you?

What FPS games have customisable armour? Never played one that when armour was picked up it didn't give a whole-body bonus.

I think....Counter strike did that? But only with torso and head? I also think weapon damaged varied on where you were shot?

[My Name is Immaterial]

It is no longer a derail; it is its own thread. This can return to the mess it formerly was now.

I also made a point about how divorcing appearance from gameplay is not really good for gameplay since appearance indicates to players the nature of the creature or object, using the example of how in combat someone wearing invisible armour in a part of her body would have an unfair advantage since nobody would know that she was wearing it.

Eh, practically no games use hitboxes for combat anyway. It's just HP + armour modifier, and MAYBE extra damage for a headshot.

...what.

Like, all shooters use hitboxes! If that's "no games" for you, then I can safely assume you don't play a lot of FPS games. Do you?

I'm pretty sure Caz meant different hitboxes, for legs, arms, etc, that had different resistance to damage.

Yeah, pretty much. I was trying to cover the point about men and women's armour being 'different' even though it was the same item - e.g. male armour gets full body coverage while the female armour has a boob window. To make it realistic, the argument was that the hitboxes for the female armour would have to be different. I was making the argument that no game goes this in-depth when it has armour anyway, so the point is a bit moot.

What FPS has a boob window?

[Caz]

What FPS has a boob window?

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boob window, midriff exposed, and rarer reverse-gender boob window. that's from UT99. it's three skins with each having a male and a female version.

[My Name is Immaterial]

How about a FPS with a boob window published this millenium?

[smeeprocket]

Yea, even Elder Scrolls Online, which has tried to be more accommodating to women, has armor with boob windows

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tbh they have a lot of revealing armor. You can, however, avoid this because crafted armor has a billion different styles. The problem is, that boob window is like the opposite of practical.

How about a FPS with a boob window published this millenium?

A lot of FPS don't do this because they don't include women.

[Urist Tilaturist]

Just so it's clear for everybody, I believe skin-showing female "armour" and boob windows are stupid and there should not be invisible armour over areas not covered by armour, forcing developers to give everybody sensible armour. If games do not go into enough depth to show this, it is their fault for being shallow. DF does it.

That elder scrolls online armour looks completely stupid for a litany of reasons anyway, the boob window is just the most serious problem. Another reason not to play elder scrolls.

All shooters I've played use hitboxes. Fixed "armour modifiers" sound a dumb idea to me, armour can block a blow completely, reduce the damage or offer no protection at all depending on circumstances. Why would greaves protect someone's head, unless they were in the way?

FPS not including women is fine for some conflicts and not for others. If it is set on the Western Front of World War 1, fine. If it is set in Iraq/Syria now, not fine, because the Kurds use women soldiers. 1:1 gender ratio is not right for any conflict except maybe a few individual battles in certain wars (Viet Nam on the VC side, Eritrea-Ethiopia on the Eritrean side, Dahomey against France on the Dahomey side) and should not be represented as the norm except in wacky counter-factual scenarios.

[Caz]

How about a FPS with a boob window published this millenium?

I don't see what the date the game was published has to do with the argument.

Here is one from UT3, published 2007. If that's still not satisfactory, you can always google it yourself.

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[TamerVirus]

Wow, once you even give it a second of thought, a boob window in an FPS is  really fricken stupid.

SHOOT HERE TO WIN

[Caz]

Just so it's clear for everybody, I believe skin-showing female "armour" and boob windows are stupid and there should not be invisible armour over areas not covered by armour, forcing developers to give everybody sensible armour.

Yeah, it is really dumb.

All shooters I've played use hitboxes. Fixed "armour modifiers" sound a dumb idea to me, armour can block a blow completely, reduce the damage or offer no protection at all depending on circumstances. Why would greaves protect someone's head, unless they were in the way?

Really? What games have you played that give extra 'resistance' only to the armour picked up? e.g. legs only, chest only etc. I haven't come across them, but I could be wrong.

[Urist Tilaturist]

I did not say that "armour modifiers" were not used, only that they were stupid. Only hitboxes are widely used. Most games are so stupid I feel like I'll turn to a zombie if I play them much.