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Author Topic: Dwarves all gone, playing as humans  (Read 2365 times)

Foxite

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Re: Dwarves all gone, playing as humans
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2014, 08:15:16 am »

I'm guessing you probably have duplicate raws. What that means is that somewhere in your objects folder there's something that has the same name as something else. For some reason this makes the game flip out and do crazy things like make the playable civs for adventurer mode skunk men, skunks, and frog men then makes the material of the ground constantly switch from every available material in a way that looks like a rainbow. The results could also be more plain like just replacing dwarves with humans, humans with elves, elves with goblins, goblins with kobolds, and kobolds with trolls. A way to tell for sure is to go into adventurer mode and check what creatures are playable then play one of each seeing what site type you spawn in.
I was going to try this by copying and pasting the raw entry for ITEM_SHOES_SHOES so that what you described would happen, but nothing happened. ???
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Re: Dwarves all gone, playing as humans
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2014, 09:34:25 am »

I was going to try this by copying and pasting the raw entry for ITEM_SHOES_SHOES so that what you described would happen, but nothing happened. ???
Duplicating raws in general isn't a magical "crazy stuff" trigger - it matters what type of definition you've duplicated.

For example, duplicate CREATURE definitions lead to what this player saw, while duplicate INORGANIC definitions can lead to stuff like veins of tin glaze.
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Re: Dwarves all gone, playing as humans
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2014, 09:35:58 am »

Duplicate raws got me wool and silk breastplates, with tons of stone swords and metal clothing.
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Re: Dwarves all gone, playing as humans
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2014, 10:18:12 am »

Duplicating raws in general isn't a magical "crazy stuff" trigger - it matters what type of definition you've duplicated.

For example, duplicate CREATURE definitions lead to what this player saw, while duplicate INORGANIC definitions can lead to stuff like veins of tin glaze.
I tried duplication CREATURE_FOXSQUIRREL as you said, but still nothing funny happened. The only strange thing that I saw was that a dwarf was selling "Grown cougar bone earrings" which is only strange in that it is grown, which AFAIK can only happen with wood.
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Re: Dwarves all gone, playing as humans
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2014, 10:39:52 am »

Duplicating raws in general isn't a magical "crazy stuff" trigger - it matters what type of definition you've duplicated.

For example, duplicate CREATURE definitions lead to what this player saw, while duplicate INORGANIC definitions can lead to stuff like veins of tin glaze.
I tried duplication CREATURE_FOXSQUIRREL as you said, but still nothing funny happened. The only strange thing that I saw was that a dwarf was selling "Grown cougar bone earrings" which is only strange in that it is grown, which AFAIK can only happen with wood.
It's a BUG, which means it'll just break the game and it probably won't work reliably anyways, so you really should just forget about messing with it deliberately.
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