Finally I can post >_>
From waaaaaay back. Bloody net.
Tiruin
But yeah, hi everyone! I will post tomorrow! Because fatigue x_x
Good game though
Come on, you didn't have time for one little question?
For when you get back: What do you think the level of activity in players has to say about their alignment, if anything?
Yeah, no time back here post-humously. Christmas and January fun sucked it all up (plus personal problems which sapped my energy and had me only posting to keep other threads I entered afloat). :/
Regarding this question: Neutral, totally. I can recall a lot of players who have had low levels of activity, and were town. Same for being scum. The general rule here isn't--as previously believed (by some of "us veterans"), the more activity you have, the better chance you are in being town, but rather its in the content one puts into the menu.
PS: Part of my post would remark on one thing: Nobody bloody asked me anything in D1.
...Or Silthuri, for that matter.
Flabort: Why the...mindreading post there? It's a bit curious on how far you're predicting things. o_O
You're flipping out, for some reason. What're the thoughts that poked you that way?
DeusTiruin, how's life on the scum team?
. . .?
(Real) Life's been hectic -_- More personal life than internet reasons. Is there something up on why you issue the one question to me--not in RVS (or rather only mention me now) in the present time, with brevity and an assumption in the background?
DA: What is your appraisal of yesterday's events? Comparatively, you and TolyK; could you give a comparison, and include what you did last night? Also more questions below.
Tiruin and Silthuri, reads?
Verily. (Also 4mask didn't edit the OP for some reason?)
mastahcheese -- Leaning town here, with little regard for being scum: primarily due to how he acted in D1 and onwards; MC displayed a degree of proactivity, and his degree of probing was for a deeper level of thinking, especially not in concerto with other players. While the concept of 'he may be playing lone wolf scum' to me happened, it didn't configure as I read past the days due to the in-game independent variable of the 'Watchman', and precisely how he proceeded with it.
Query: What makes 'evidence planting' so "bastardly" here?
TheDarkStar: Contrasting MC, however in a different manner (leaning neutral). Basis is more on content than attitude. Basically: uncertain and leaning neither way.
...I'm curious why he was nominated as the Watchman however--
May all those who voted for TDS to explain why he was being voted as the watchman? (this is in orange for readability)
Query for you: Why were you eager to be the watchman earlier in the game?
Caz -- This dude was NOT standing as scum for me, outright anyway. Caz, as I've known, tends towards...brevity and general silliness in her attitude (or...when busy with other pursuits non-mafia related...); her attitude did not match what I found to be a ScumCaz, especially when under pressure--she would respond, and its rather in how her attitude was, where I judged how she was acting as.
{1} Note one, a tone of drama. Firstly, I didn't judge it based on the fact that there is drama: Caz can be a
very good player when she wants to, and the brevity really felt to me that she was either pressured (unlikely given the tone), or given up-y. The note of a Chinese mafia? Along with the flavor contextual clues? In a
normal game, I'd ignore such movements--but in a BASTARD game (ie Bellsounder Mafia...ooo I loved that one), details should be taken in minute scrutiny and analysis, but not so that you'd be paralyzed to act on such ideas. Caz' attitude, while...glib, would be strange in considering the aspects of the game in a Mafia perspective, or a third-party perspective. Coming forth with being Mafia with...Mein Kampf? Being Chinese? I didn't look at her as scum before--but she remained neutral, and I read back (but didn't post) during that time to see how reactions went.
While people 'trusted' the cops at D2-end, and understandably it is a 'safe-ploy' just in case she is scum, there were certain curiosities in the way of the certain death penalty of 'Caz has been investigated and found
wanting' and 'I am Chinese. What happened to me.' (basically the D2-end context).
Deathsword -- Null. Would be leaning town given how his direction was in the early days, but my focus was elsewhere--however I did note that he had a level of awareness akin to MC's.
Persus13 -- ...Same place as DS, but falling in with astuteness, leaning town than leaning null, but both still in the gray. The notes of flavor-awareness and the factor of how he questions people--while in brevity, it was certained for future responses and seemed to be tracing
for answers...
Vivalas -- ...I'm leaning town on this one, wherein 'leaning' would equal a measure of 'this person can't seemingly be newbie scum because a newbie, given his attitude probably parallel with the RIA-concept, would be a really bad streak to his first game(?)...' and 'On the other side, as town it'd make sense, how he would move with his...scumhunting. The manner by which he votes, and poses his queries seem off kilter, but not in a way to suggest malevolence or shrouded intention.'
...Meaning: I'm uncertain, but the appraisal of his attitude and disposition tells me that he's...not working as a team-mind, but more 'alone'.
Tiruin -- Hello. I am Tiruin. With totally little knowledge of WWII flavor other than the Asian sphere (and major European ventures like the battle of Normandy, and weaponry, equipment, logistics, hierarchy and military tactics used on both sides--like why Hitler was inefficient as a fascist dictator while the Allies could operate very-...yeah, rambling off on history studies is me. >_>).
Saying all this because I doubt the bastard mechanic is hidden in the historical context. Though...it is very strange to see the Chinese fight here (it was never mentioned in my history studies anyway where the Chinese fought <_<)
Silthuri -- I read her as I read me: Neutral (by which its up to you how you judge us :/ RL issues = x_x at times...), and given that I know a...tad bit of her RL stuff, I'm really not willing to judge her as I'd do myself.
...Meaning she's null.
flabort Leaning town/null: Remarking on attitude and compared to gameplay--this one still requires more reading into; his attitude is...jumpy, a predominant adjective I'd describe how he's been acting in the continuing days in how he regards others as well as himself--though it could also be called as 'astute', given his pointed remarks and focused disposition. There's something with him that's catching my intrigue--maybe due to how he writes his ideas out.
TolyK's roleflip (as vague as it is...) gives credibility to the note on being an investigator--the only thing throwing it off is the...confuzzle regarding 'What? You should've seen {x}, why is there {y}?' and the strangeness of the detection.
As a hypothetical: I do hope the "cops" know that their investigate is aimed towards the role/ability or the alignment beforehand. These...misplacements do happen at times, but of mention anyway. >_>
flabort: I notice a certain degree of pointedness in your statements. How do you see direct communication as a tool for scumhunting?
Also what drove you to mention the idea of 'framing'? You saw something back there.
Could I also ask how you're regarding Comrade Shamrock and Deus Amoth being tied? I've read you mentioning a three-way cop zone, and CS out of the idea of his...relations with DA. What exactly poked you on that idea?TolyK -- Dead, but this was made yesterday so :v
> Seemed strange, but believable (strange = the discrepancy of investigator and investigated results). Given the high contradiction rate of one over the other, he was leaning town for me yesterday: his interactions with mastahcheese, as well as flabort give solidity to his credibility (though his silliness always punches me in the gut :v). I didn't look into the matter more, as I tied him up with flabort in consideration, and focused on the latter more due to the chain of association and tracing that formed.
Comrade Shamrock As curious as Deus Amoth, minus the 'Hey I'm a cop' note. In the link would be where my reads revolved around: how he considers others. Some parts are...superficial, so to say. While he did mention he is a newbie (with as much treatment as I give Vivalas, everyone is unique in their scope), several key points stood out on the area where he described what persuaded him to look at people in one way or another (though as another point, it could just be how he related the general idea, which I'm more inclined in believing here).
Neutral/Uncertain.
Query CS: What kind of idea would persuade you to use your only weapon--the vote? Seeing that list (and your other posts), it seems to...skim, on the finer and "more convincing" details in general.
Deus Asmoth -- Curious. Comparing my D2 read to my current read, I feel it be too...hasty to judge him in exacts, but I have a tendency to see where he is leaning (scumwise? Townwise? I'm feeling a great deal of intrigue with him). Basically:
The scenario outlined here. @D2, the attitude matched up: there was the degree of doubt in himself, yet there was the aspect of the scientific method in approaching that doubt: being open-minded in considering viewpoints (also frame is pretty much the same as planting evidence, considering the context of the mechanic :v). Considering how he presented the following idea, it had precision in how it was presented--and not merely an idea to throw to the winds in regard to what was the given. Though, he has a great deal of brevity used subtly in his statements, something by which I am...not comfortable with, given the tone he used during the proceeding day. But I am very curious as to
why he outed himself as a cop, to reveal scum
so early in a large game. Reading back, it appears that question was not approached.
Considering now, however. Caz' role doesn't...speak scum to me at all:
DA, could we know what you had as a result last night in full text?
Scripten was >_>. Admittedly, I was in the game after D1, with lapses of 'argh life' in the midst of D2, (ie helping a person who has been abandoned by a friend).
Anyway, my read on him was....
It is very strange of him to initiate a probing question which involves...'VIGKILL', though my best lead would be 'cultural effect', given that he noted that he's a regular (mafiascum?) player, and this is the norm in his area.
...
Seriously Scripten, I'm asking you this post-game. What were you thinking.
Also before anyone asks regarding blue and red with how I do my stuff (or the absence of such)--I don't do the normal 'present your stance'. I'm saying all this because most of you are new--not because I'm relying on metaknowledge (and because you
are new...semantic shift there), but to explain in advance my standpoint regarding pressure and how I vote (to avoid the questions later on); I don't mark my targets, but wait until a degree of surity occurs in how I see them. My philosophy revolves around what is
not present rather than what is present (or in better terms: non-quantity following): I rarely use the FOS, and when I vote, it has a degree of certainty poured into it; I'd rather vote in the seeming context of certainty rather than use the vote as a pressure valve, and vice versa: but my weakness is within my context and how my tone goes.
Lastly: ZU's lurkertracker is broken in crossmatching posts ._.
PPE: GRAHH MANY REPLIES.
* Tiruin shakes her fist at the internets for cutting out and then coming back and then ooooooWarning - while you were reading 7 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
...Huh, two different entries.
Between this post and its copy paste, my net died in between. Wow. <_<
Just like D2 end.