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[Sergarr]

EDITEDIT: Russia and all the other former USSR republics are preparing to present Germany with an official claim of how much damage it inflicted on them during the WW2. Of course, any reparations are extremely unlikely at this point, but it's still a valid way for Russia to be a political dick to Germany.

Okay, now this is getting officially stupid. First the GDR thing - okay, but this is something else.

[Knit tie]

EDITEDIT: Russia and all the other former USSR republics are preparing to present Germany with an official claim of how much damage it inflicted on them during the WW2. Of course, any reparations are extremely unlikely at this point, but it's still a valid way for Russia to be a political dick to Germany.

Okay, now this is getting officially stupid. First the GDR thing - okay, but this is something else.

Political posturing tends to be stupid by definition.

[smjjames]

EDITEDIT: Russia and all the other former USSR republics are preparing to present Germany with an official claim of how much damage it inflicted on them during the WW2. Of course, any reparations are extremely unlikely at this point, but it's still a valid way for Russia to be a political dick to Germany.

Okay, now this is getting officially stupid. First the GDR thing - okay, but this is something else.

Political posturing tends to be stupid by definition.

All of the former USSR republics? The article says that they hope Belarus, Ukraine, and others will join the thing. Ukraine has nothing to gain from being a dick to Germany when they're trying to do the opposite at this time.

And yeah, the GDR thing I was like 'if that's how you want to deal with your past, okay', but this one is getting into somewhat silly territory.

[Knit tie]

EDITEDIT: Russia and all the other former USSR republics are preparing to present Germany with an official claim of how much damage it inflicted on them during the WW2. Of course, any reparations are extremely unlikely at this point, but it's still a valid way for Russia to be a political dick to Germany.

Okay, now this is getting officially stupid. First the GDR thing - okay, but this is something else.

Political posturing tends to be stupid by definition.

All of the former USSR republics?

There are some other articles out there that talk about representatives of Kazakhstan and the like being invited into the research group. But I'll be damned if this entire initiative will lead to anything meaningful, most likely it will just fizzle out in a month or two.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I was posting quickly before going to class, so I couldn't comment on that opinion piece I posted earlier. I think arming Ukraine isn't a good idea, for a number of reasons.

First of all, Ukraine can't win the war. Even with modern weapons, there is no chance of a purely military victory by the UAF. The number of Russians troops in Ukraine is a few thousands. Not counting conscripts, Russia's land forces numbers in the hundred of thousands. Of course, not all of them are deployable, but Russia could still easily increase its deployment tenfold. Increased UAF capabilities will only be met with increased Russian presence, causing more collateral damage but changing little on the ground.

*Ukrainian Ranger facepalms reading that*

You know what that remind me? February 21, after one hundred dead, EU officials arrived in Kiev to persuade protesters to negotiate a deal with a murderer Yanukovich and let him rule at least for one more year because else "you will all be dead"

Evil must be opposed, not going "let's not provoke it for further action" route

[Knit tie]

Define evil.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Russia

[smjjames]

Define Russia.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Neo-Ussr ruled by imperialistic revanchists who want to reconquest USSR and ready to kill as many as needed and even more.

[Sheb]

Well, UR, do you think the UAF can achieve a military victory?

Knit Tie: Somehow I don't see Estonia or Latvia joining in this drafting. Plus, the USSR already helped itself to reparations after the war.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Can Ukraine win the war without getting to guerilla stage? Main problem are Russian aviation and ballistic\cruise missiles. If we find a way to negate this*, defensive war is winnable

I am not worried about 300 000+ because as I believe that Russia has 50 000-100 000 of acceptable quality troops. Everything else has no adequate training, morale, equipment. Should this weird "no aviation in 21th century" war continue, pouring shitloads of  infantry\armor in Donbass will result in huge causalities for Russia.

*sadly, we need NATO involvement here

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Like how Russian Parliaments talks about 3 trillion Euro compensation from Germany for WW2 damage

I want to know, by their logic,  how much Ukraine should demand? Because most of USSR's economical and humanitarian damage was suffered by Ukraine. (by absolute numbers, IMO,  Belarus was hit even harder)

Well, considering that Putin said that Russians won WW2 without Ukrainians, their logic is consistent.

[Knit tie]

Well, UR, do you think the UAF can achieve a military victory?

Knit Tie: Somehow I don't see Estonia or Latvia joining in this drafting. Plus, the USSR already helped itself to reparations after the war.

Not really, at least not to the extent that would be considered even remotely fair. Still, all this talk about demanding reparations from Germany is just hot air, it will not amount to anything in the end.

Well, considering that Putin said that Russians won WW2 without Ukrainians, their logic is consistent.

Just out of pure curiosity, do you mind pointing it out to me where he said that?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0FJge8nDxM

Technically he said - "we would win without Ukraine" but I see no difference between saying this and "Ukrainian contribution was useless, we won without it"

[Knit tie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0FJge8nDxM

Technically he said - "we would win without Ukraine" but I see no difference between saying this and "Ukrainian contribution was useless, we won without it"

I am afraid there is a big difference between "it would've been possible for us to win without Ukraine" and "Ukrainian help was useless" - even if the USSR could've possibly won without Ukraine, how does this hypothetical possibility discredit the actual Ukrainian contribution to the USSR's victory?