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[CaptainMcClellan]

You could always skip all that bs and snort caffeine powder. :p

[Knit tie]

You could always skip all that bs and snort caffeine powder. :p

Or amphetamines.

[ChairmanPoo]

It's practically impossible to get serious overdoses of caffeine with coffee and tea, no matter how strongly brewed. You'll feel sick long before you've crossed the danger threshold. With OTC caffeine pills is hard, but not undoable. With methamphetamine  and/or cocaine it's relatively easy and the side-effects can be deadly (fun fact: the vast majority of strokes in people under 40 are because of amphetamine and cocaine abuse).

[CaptainMcClellan]

Yes I know. That said, even without an "overdose event" permanent damage can be done with excessive caffeine.

[Knit tie]

Actually, regarding the shelling of Mariupol, I've got a question: were all shots fired from the same direction, or just a part of them?

[Helgoland]

Spoiler: Reminds me of this (click to show/hide)

[Knit tie]

I am just saying that, considering how the people who were shelled in Mariupol attribute the shelling to both sides on social media, it would be a very neat explanation if the shelling really did happen from both sides.

Also, conspiracy theory defense doesn't really work when a country has a very vested interest in having atrocities perpetuated against it - a big scandal in Europe about how poor Ukraine is suffering would be incredibly beneficial to Poroshenko, as opposed to the 9/11, which, if it indeed was, hypothetically, of course, a fake, didn't benefit the Washington in any way, shape or form.

[Helgoland]

But why would Kiev need to fake an attack on Mariupol when a real one was going on? You know, the phrase that often comes to mind when reading your posts is полезно дурак...

[Knit tie]

But why would Kiev need to fake an attack on Mariupol when a real one was going on? You know, the phrase that often comes to mind when reading your posts is полезно дурак...

That's not an actual phrase what you just posted. I don't even know what you meant there. "Useful fool," perhaps?

But to answer your question - because the rebels don't tend to shoot civilians! And if they are not shooting civilians, how can Ukraine portray them as evil in the eyes of European populace, which I can personally confirm from Edinburgh doesn't even remotely care about Ukraine. Or Syria and ISIS, for that matter. Hybrid wars are all about propaganda warfare - each side needs to portray itself as just and noble and the other side as barbarous in order to reap the benefits of third party public's support.

[CaptainMcClellan]

True. Also, if it weren't for public/international opinion, these wars could easily be quelled. It's not a popular solution for a reason though...

[Helgoland]

Good God, Knit - you yourself were talking about rockets coming from both sides. Don't be so daft!

And yes, 'useful fools' - although the English version is 'useful idiot'. Was полезно дурак not a correct translation?

[Knit tie]

Good God, Knit - you yourself were talking about rockets coming from both sides. Don't be so daft!

That's just a theory, like how "Kyiv setup" is just a theory. I cannot claim to know what happened there personally, and all the sources are biased, so I cannot voice anything but theories. I don't make any claims here, that's all just speculation. For all we know, it is theoretically possible that some shells came from the rebel side by mistake, and then some from the Ukrainian side in order to exacerbate the destruction and fuel another one of those "Je suis Volnovakha Mariupol" marches, just as it is possible that some rebel battery deliberately shot at Mariupol in order to avenge all those shellings of Donbass.

And useful idiot is полезный дурак in Russian. And condescending asshole, guess why I'm mentioning it here, is снисходительная сволочь.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

What is probability to meet a dinosaur during a walk? It is 50%. You will either meet a dinosaur or not.

[Knit tie]

What is probability to meet a dinosaur during a walk? It is 50%. You will either meet a dinosaur or not.

What is the probability to meet a dinosaur during a paleontological museum visit?

Different circumstances, mate. Ukraine wants a big, public scandal, one that will get Novorossiya declared a terrorist organisation and secure NATO help for Kyiv, it's pretty much the best possible scenario for Porosheko, and the only one that absolutely guarantees Ukraine a win. Why not, theoretically, have a false-flag operation or two to achieve such a scenario, then?

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Or maybe Russian artillery is indiscriminately attacking the area in the offensive.