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[Aseaheru]

I would say we should focus on guerrilla warfare, its cheaper, requires less massive equipment, and aslong as we dont attack anyone first...

[Taricus]

Problem is that we have no offensive capability at all, which mostly renders that inert. I'd prefer a far more... aggressive and conventional doctrine.

[3man75]

I would say we should focus on guerrilla warfare, its cheaper, requires less massive equipment, and aslong as we dont attack anyone first...

If we keep light then yes a good guirilla force would be very attainable.

Spoiler: Votes (click to show/hide)

1. Design medium full body armor named MFB, based on LFB. Increase the weight to 18 kg and try to fix the fragility issue. (Beneviento, GUNINANRUNIN, AseaHeru, UR, 3man75)
2. Finish the 120mm tank gun. (akkudakku, AseaHeru, Taricus, Alamoes, Hawk132, Happerry, GentlemanRaptor, Khaiel, 3man75)
3. Design a wheeled tank destroyer Wolverine armed with the the 120mm gun. (AseaHeru, Happerry)
4. Design an universal tactical helmet "Watcher". (akkudakku, UR, AseaHeru)
5. Design man portable surface to air missile launcher "Jazz" (akkudakku, Happerry, GentlemanRaptor, UR, AseaHeru, 3man75)
6: Design Badger A chassis that is designed to be the fix for the mechanical problems found, reduce the armor to 300mm ( )
   -6.1: Redesigned badger (longer) (Taricus, Alamoes, Hawk132)
7: Redesign the 1100 Kw engine to be more fuel efficient, and easier to fix in case of a break ( )
8. Hammer out the faults in the 6.8mm bullpup rifle in a way that will allow to retroactively fix the already produced samples (akkudakku, AseaHeru, Stirk, Hawk132, Beneviento, GentlemanRaptor, GUNINANRUNIN, Khaiel, Taricus, 3man75)
   -8.1 Hammer out the faults in the 6.8mm bullpup rifle, make it longer (Taricus, Hawk132)
9. Hammer out the faults in the Badger tank (akkudakku, Beneviento, GUNINANRUNIN, Khaiel, Taricus)
10. Hammer out the faults in the Lightweight Body Armor (akkudakku, Taricus, Alamoes, Hawk132)
11. Anti-missile system (Taricus, Hawk132)
12. SAW (Stirk, Beneviento)
13. DMR (Stirk, Alamoes, Beneviento, GentlemanRaptor)
14. Design a powerful ship-mounted radar capable of tracking missiles from a reasonable distance as well a surface targets (Happerry)
15. Start designing a missile capable of being installed into VLS and tracking multiple targets, including other missiles ()
16. Start prototyping a 90mm electric railgun capable of both ship and land mounting (Alamoes, Happerry, UR, GUNINANRUNIN, AseaHeru)
17: Design Man-Portable Ordnance Delivery System (MPODS) Model 1 "Chameleon" (Beneviento, Happerry)

A. Produce 1140 basic infantry kits (assault rifle + pistol + LFB armor). (AseaHeru)
B. Build a small arms factory (armor+rifle+pistol kits) (akkudakku, Beneviento)
C. Build a national engineering academy, use the work units overflow to produce infantry kits (armor+rifle+pistol) (akkudakku, Stirk, GUNINANRUNIN, Khaiel)

Alpha: Moratorium on missiles ()
Beta: Import sufficient SAM launchers (mobile and fixed) to provide coverage of all major bases and C3I installations. (Taricus, GentlemanRaptor, akkudakku, GUNINANRUNIN)
Gamma: More researchers (Taricus)

What is the MPODS anyways..?

I've added my name to the following propositions: 1,3,5, and 8.

Problem is that we have no offensive capability at all, which mostly renders that inert. I'd prefer a far more... aggressive and conventional doctrine.

We need a basic fighting force first and i think a quickly mobilized guerrilla force who's armament let it stay lightning quick is the best way. Later we iron out the last kinks and start thinking about heavier weapons like Helicopters, Tanks, and Artillery.

[Taricus]

Yeah... You realise that means we're virtually surrendering our factories and population centres to the enemy? Because without either of those, we have basically lost.

[3man75]

Point taken. Maybe we could create vast mine fields? We should also employ scorch earth tactics where possible.

Btw GM when is it that our creations will be tried and tested against an enemy?

[Taricus]

When we get a war

[3man75]

When we get a war Excuse me i want to be a smart ass and i'd like to say...

Shush.

[Parsely]

I'm with Taricus on this. You don't really plan to fight a guerrilla war, normally you're forced to employ those kinds of methods because you can't field a conventional army. It doesn't mean we can't use hit-and-run tactics to slow down land invaders though.

here you go ok, maybe it isn't found there.

Oh well.  It is a MANPAD, but with potential for different types of ammo.  Like artillery ammo.  We could make it into an AT bazooka, what ever.

Because MPODS isn't the name of an actual thing. >_>

Okay, that's all you had to say. "Ordnance Delivery System" is totally ambiguous and could've meant anything.

[evilcherry]

^^Generally its a good idea for them not to, but yeah of course they support the infantry with their guns while they're unloading but if there's any kind of AT cover up, they probably won't stick around too long. Otherwise yeah mobile cover. Pretty sweet.

Yah, if you arent gonna use the APC to support the troops with their guns and/or missiles, why do you have them?

Well, currently we have two kinds of carriers: APCs and IFVs. One has a little baby machine gun and the other has a cannon. The first kind is gonna cover the inf as they unload and then (depending on the kind of heat that's on) probably pull back a bit to stay safe, the latter has a bit more armor and a cannon and is definitely gonna be out there fighting with the frontliners since he's got the ability to stonewall hostile shock troops and outright bust enemy light armor.

Also you won't use IFVs or APCs for general mobilization. Moreover if your doctrine is to unload IFV/APCs and stick these vehicles in the heat, you are in deep trouble - you need their mobility for reinforcements.

[Beneviento]

The MPODS was an idea of mine, based on the thought process of "hmm, a Javelin is essentially a tube that you shoot small missiles out of, as is the Grom (Polish MANPADS), as is (not really) a mortar. Why not combine them?". Ordnance Delivery System is really ambiguous, but the weapon was meant to be versatile, usable as an AT weapon, a MANPADS, and as an anti-infantry weapon, so I couldn't think of anything more specific, plus it sounds good. I though we should have something Javelin-esque so we could spend less on dedicated AT and AA weapons, as I think the Javelin can be used as both. The mortar part was mostly thrown in because why not.

[evilcherry]

The MPODS was an idea of mine, based on the thought process of "hmm, a Javelin is essentially a tube that you shoot small missiles out of, as is the Grom (Polish MANPADS), as is (not really) a mortar. Why not combine them?". Ordnance Delivery System is really ambiguous, but the weapon was meant to be versatile, usable as an AT weapon, a MANPADS, and as an anti-infantry weapon, so I couldn't think of anything more specific, plus it sounds good. I though we should have something Javelin-esque so we could spend less on dedicated AT and AA weapons, as I think the Javelin can be used as both. The mortar part was mostly thrown in because why not.

The problem for Javelins and MANPADS is that in a field situation it will be impractical for a pair of soldiers to carry more than 1 or 2 rounds of ammo. As the rockets for Anti-Air and Anti-Armor are very different, flexibility on the field will be very limited anyway.

In fact a 105mm man-portable gun would be more practical.

[Beneviento]

The ammo carrying question is the biggest problem. If I'm not wrong that was the main reason grenades like the stick grenade went out of use. Why do we use MANPADS in general then? The answer, I think, is that if we give each squad of ten men one weapon with one AT round and one AA round, then that's 100 weapons per infantry battalion of 1000 men, which is more than enough (hopefully) to wipe out a tank battalion of say 40 tanks, and if that whole company can take down a helicopter gunship, it's worth it. Why would a 105mm gun be more practical? The ammo difference is also a problem, but we could try to design a rocket that would be passable for both uses.

[10ebbor10]

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2. Finish the 120mm tank gun. (IIIIIIII)
5. Design man portable surface to air missile launcher "Jazz" (IIIIII)
8. Hammer out the faults in the 6.8mm bullpup rifle in a way that will allow to retroactively fix the already produced samples (IIIIIIIIII)
16. Start prototyping a 90mm electric railgun capable of both ship and land mounting (IIIII)

C. Build a national engineering academy, use the work units overflow to produce infantry kits (armor+rifle+pistol) (IIII)

Beta: Import sufficient SAM launchers (mobile and fixed) to provide coverage of all major bases and C3I installations. (IIII)

120 mm tank gun

Work on the 120 mm tank gun proceeds well, and it is soon finished. Our engineers even find some time to optimize it and develop a basic ammo round.

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120 mm tank gun

Weight: 3 ton (Excluding ammunition)
Muzzle Velocity : 1600 m/s
Length: 6 meter
Cost: 15
Traits : Adapted for Missile Weaponry, Quick firing, Reliable, High velocity*, Composite barrel**(Choose 1)

*Increases cost by 2.5, but speed up to 1800 m/s
**Lowers performance, weight, and reliance on imported materials

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120 mm kinetic energy penetrator

Effective range: 2000 meters
Penetration: 550 mm RHA equivalent @ 2200 meters

Jazz Manpad

Despite the simplicity of the tast, the engineering team is having significant trouble with the MANPAD. An alternative choice of propellant has resulted in a missile which leaves a large smoke trail, and low thrust output make the missile unstable in conditions with mild to heavy wind.

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MANPAD

Infrared guided
Weight: 6 (Missile: 10 kg)
Range: 4 km

Flaws : Highly noticeable, Unstable

Cost: 0.5

Bullpup rifle

Flaws eliminated

Railgun

The railgun works, but has several flaws. It's power drain is significant, and it's barrels have a tendency to wear rapidly.

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90 mm rail gun

Weight: 5 ton (Excluding ammunition and capacitors)
Muzzle Velocity : 2500 m/s
Length: 8 meter
Cost: 20
Flaws : Rapid barrel wear, High power drain

The government informs you of the fact that you're not the department of education, and that your current training facilities should be sufficient. However, it is willing to re-organize some departments, giving you more personnel in exchange for more competent ones. (Ie; 3 novice for 2 adepts).

The government manages to find 50 SA-2 Guideline systems for cheap.

Spoiler: Installations Under your command (click to show/hide)

Various administrative and research buildings
A 2000 meter airstrip
A wharf
     -1 20000 ton dockyard
          - 6000 ton destroyer
A small factory  [Up to 400 Production Points]
A test range

Spoiler: People Under your command (click to show/hide)

-Design team Alpha [Large projects]
    -7 Novice engineering teams
    -3 Adept engineering team
-Design team Beta
    -3 Novice engineering teams
    -2 Adept engineering team
-Design team Gamma
    -2 Novice engineering teams
    -3 Adept engineering team
-Design team Delta
    -4 Novice engineering teams
    -1 adept engineering team

Spoiler: Our Glorious Military (click to show/hide)

100,000 Infantry: [Armed Peacekeepers]
Standard issue equipment:
Armor: Light ballistic armor + Riot shielding
Primary Weapon: Unstandardized Automatic guns
Secondary weapon: Combat Knife and varia

Ground forces :
- 100*BMP-3
- 200*BTR-80

Naval forces:
- 60* Patrol boats
- 6* Missile Corvette

Air forces:

4 P-3 Orion
30 Trainer Vehicles
8* F-16

Air Defense

-50*SA-2 Guideline

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((Note: Questions better asked in PM's. I often skim part of the thread, so might miss them.))

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Did we got the infantry equipment factory?
And you omitted cost of the manpad

1) Design a standard military rechargeable battery. Not heavier than 0.5kg. Meant to be use as a single cell or as a part of system that has hundreds of those
That is something we need for drones, for non-nuclear sub, for infantry use, for railguns

2) Using achieved experience, design a smaller railgun weighting 2 tons and having 60mm caliber.

A. Include Jazz manpads in infantry kit equipment production. It is meant to have one such manpad per ten soldiers

B Build 5 shoreline defense railguns. Mainly to get experience in construction of those and use field data to improve the next design

[10ebbor10]

Did we got the infantry equipment factory?
And you omitted cost of the manpad

Only 2 votes for that.