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[nenjin]

Interesting how they "produced" a witness now to say they announced themselves, considering Breonna Taylor was shot not too long after George Floyd was killed.

[Bumber]

Interesting how they "produced" a witness now to say they announced themselves, considering Breonna Taylor was shot not too long after George Floyd was killed.

It's claimed they were independent. Presumably the grand jury knows more about it than we do.

[Frumple]

What law enforcement needs to do is stop busting down peoples' doors in the middle of the night (if they aren't presumed to be a danger to themselves or others.) It was wrong when the FBI did it to Roger Stone, and it was wrong when the police did it to Breonna Taylor.

Or rather, that plus when it happens anyway, they need to be fucking pancaked under civil and criminal penalties (personal ones, on top of a mound of shit dropped on their department), plus probably never work in law enforcement or security positions again.

You'd see less of this horseshit if there were any goddamn consequences at all for it, and it's blatantly obvious the police don't want there to be.

[TD1]

What law enforcement needs to do is stop busting down peoples' doors in the middle of the night (if they aren't presumed to be a danger to themselves or others.) It was wrong when the FBI did it to Roger Stone, and it was wrong when the police did it to Breonna Taylor.

Precisely. This is yet another case of "the victim is black, the police are white, ergo it's racism."
It helps nobody to label this type of thing racism. Well, except the Black Lives Matter movement and anyone else interested in a spot of looting and arson. Because it doesn't address the actual problem. Police heavy-handedness, violence, and bully-boy mentality.

Identity politics does not encompass every single problem we face. I wish people would realise that.

You'd see less of this horseshit if there were any goddamn consequences at all for it, and it's blatantly obvious the police don't want there to be.

Of course they don't. Why would they want repercussions for the collateral of returning fire?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It's not labeled racism, it is racism. If Roger Stone got shot by the FBI climbing out of bed, someone would be punished for it.

Nobody will be punished for murdering Breonna Taylor, because her life doesn't have value to the legal system of this country. Some fucking drywall had more value. And that tale plays out the same way, again and again, pulling teeth to get even the slightest shadow of the law applied towards black people or against cops.

And as long as people keep complaining about "identity politics" and "looters" without a care in the world to cops playing Rambo and getting rewarded for it, as long as there's an idea that there is some kind of balance to be struck between a badge and a gun against anyone else, that's just not going to change.

[Il Palazzo]

If Roger Stone got shot by the FBI climbing out of bed, someone would be punished for it.

How do you know?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Because the class of person Roger Stone is in would never allow that precedent to be set. They'd find themselves at least some scapegoats to slaughter for all the public to see, if not actually invest in comprehensive changes. Because doing otherwise increases the chance that they might also get shot climbing out of bed, and since they're real people to the gaze of the state, that just can't be tolerated.

This is also a large part of what keeps the cops so corrupted in spite of efforts that might otherwise be successful - cops have the power of the ruling class on loan, and they're terrified of losing it. Moreover, they don't have much inventive to do what they do if they can't skim the cream off the top for themselves. Both the cops and the ruling class know this, and so both try to maintain the status quo.

[George_Chickens]

I guess the police smelled Duncan Lemp's few droplets of African blood and had to open fire on him while he slept.

[Maximum Spin]

As Maximum Spin might put it, everything is fine from where I'm sitting.

No man, you don't get it, life is good for everyone. Things aren't necessarily equally good for everybody, but life itself is intrinsically amazing and awesome. I don't understand how anyone could possibly be alive and not be happy. Life is so great that anything else pales in comparison.

It's not labeled racism, it is racism. If Roger Stone got shot by the FBI climbing out of bed, someone would be punished for it.

Even if that were true, and I think it's bullshit, that would be classism, not racism. This may surprise you, but white people are more likely to be killed by cops in a given interaction than black people, and nobody ever gets punished for it in either case.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

No, black people are more likely to be killed by cops. There are just more white people total. That's how likeliness works, comparison to the base set.

Cops also usually know better than to go all mad dog in the first place against white people who are wealthy enough to have lawyers and live in the good neighborhoods, which deviates the odds further.

[Maximum Spin]

No, black people are more likely to be killed by cops. There are just more white people total. That's how likeliness works, comparison to the base set.

That's actually not true. Per interaction, white people are more likely to be killed by cops.

Cops also usually know better than to go all mad dog in the first place against white people who are wealthy enough to have lawyers and live in the good neighborhoods, which deviates the odds further.

(They also don't do this against black people who are wealthy enough to have lawyers and live in the good neighbourhoods. Yes, those people really do exist! I know some personally!)

[MetalSlimeHunt]

No, black people are more likely to be killed by cops. There are just more white people total. That's how likeliness works, comparison to the base set.

That's actually not true. Per interaction, white people are more likely to be killed by cops.

That's not actually true. Black people are more likely to be killed by cops, because there are fewer black people in comparison.

Cops also usually know better than to go all mad dog in the first place against white people who are wealthy enough to have lawyers and live in the good neighborhoods, which deviates the odds further.

(They also don't do this against black people who are wealthy enough to have lawyers and live in the good neighbourhoods. Yes, those people really do exist! I know some personally!)

No, they still do it on occasion. Black people in wealthy white neighborhoods are generally safer, mostly because the cops just don't come around, but then that opens them up to getting assaulted for "stealing" their own nice car or "robbing" their own nice house, optionally including a Karen triggering the whole encounter.

Even black people who are literally famous sometimes end up in this situation.

[Il Palazzo]

Because the class of person Roger Stone is in would never allow that precedent to be set. They'd find themselves at least some scapegoats to slaughter for all the public to see, if not actually invest in comprehensive changes. Because doing otherwise increases the chance that they might also get shot climbing out of bed, and since they're real people to the gaze of the state, that just can't be tolerated.

As was said above. In response to a question of why this is racism, you're claiming the cops would be punished if they shot RS - because he's RS, not because he's white. The equivalent situation should be Roger Stone - a white ER technician - being killed in a crossfire by cops returning fire after being shot at by Roger's startled boyfriend.

No, black people are more likely to be killed by cops. There are just more white people total. That's how likeliness works, comparison to the base set.

That's actually not true. Per interaction, white people are more likely to be killed by cops.

That's not actually true. Black people are more likely to be killed by cops, because there are fewer black people in comparison.

Both are true, you dunces.
MS is saying per interaction. I.e. if you find yourself in an interaction with cops, you're less likely to be shot if you're black. That's independent of demographics.
MSH is saying per lifetime. I.e. if you're born black you have a higher likelihood of being killed by cops. Or, in other words, blacks in the US are killed disproportionally to the population percentage.

[Maximum Spin]

Both are true, you dunces.
MS is saying per interaction. I.e. if you find yourself in an interaction with cops, you're less likely to be shot if you're black. That's independent of demographics.
MSH is saying per lifetime. I.e. if you're born black you have a higher likelihood of being killed by cops. Or, in other words, blacks in the US are killed disproportionally to the population percentage.

Ultimately the question is, if you see a cop coming, should you be more afraid if you are white or if you are black? The statistics are clear: you should be more afraid if you're white.

[scriver]

Because the class of person Roger Stone is in would never allow that precedent to be set. They'd find themselves at least some scapegoats to slaughter for all the public to see, if not actually invest in comprehensive changes. Because doing otherwise increases the chance that they might also get shot climbing out of bed, and since they're real people to the gaze of the state, that just can't be tolerated.

As was said above. In response to a question of why this is racism, you're claiming the cops would be punished if they shot RS - because he's RS, not because he's white. The equivalent situation should be Roger Stone - a white ER technician - being killed in a crossfire by cops returning fire after being shot at by Roger's startled boyfriend.

No, black people are more likely to be killed by cops. There are just more white people total. That's how likeliness works, comparison to the base set.

That's actually not true. Per interaction, white people are more likely to be killed by cops.

That's not actually true. Black people are more likely to be killed by cops, because there are fewer black people in comparison.

Both are true, you dunces.
MS is saying per interaction. I.e. if you find yourself in an interaction with cops, you're less likely to be shot if you're black. That's independent of demographics.
MSH is saying per lifetime. I.e. if you're born black you have a higher likelihood of being killed by cops. Or, in other words, blacks in the US are killed disproportionally to the population percentage.

bless you

although it would have delighted me if you began with something with "actually"