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[SalmonGod]

Twitter thread by someone claiming to be an ex-cop who tried to be a good one.

[Rolan7]

This is the failure of justice on the ground.  People who care about the reality should look at this.
"[your] notes should reflect the danger he posed"
"We need to do notes, get our stories straight"

I understand, gods, I understand.
But it's still not what we should expect from law enforcement.

[Folly]

News of the day seems to focus on an Atlanta man who was fatally shot by cop. Story is that the man was drunk and sleeping it off in a drive-through restaurant parking lot, cops decided that counted as drunk driving and attempted to arrest him. The drunk man grabbed an unloaded taser from one of the cops and tried to fire it at him, then upon realizing that it didn't work he tried to run only to be fatally shot in the back.

In response, protesters have currently shut down an interstate in Atlanta.

[hector13]

Da’s the law though. If you are in a vehicle, with the keys, you are considered to be operating the vehicle.

Not that that excuses killing someone.

Like, I can understand using force - non-lethal, mind - if someone is attacking you, but not so much if they’re running away. Or, you know, I don’t understand that in any reasonable capacity.

[Max™]

He turned while running and pointed what I assume was the taser (it had a light on it, guessing they have lights on them?) but I'm not sure if it was the one he had been tased with (which would then be inactive or if it did anything would have tased himself) or another one.

Either way there were multiple cops there, assuming he managed to tase one, that one might have what, dropped a weapon which if he wasn't running he might have theoretically grabbed so best be careful and just murder him right?

It's kinda like Sarda's "A Spell That Hurts You", except instead of learning a spell that hurts you, we learned if you steal a weapon used to tase you, and you tried to use that weapon, that means you used a weapon that tases you... and then get shot by police.

Slightly concerning how easily things are getting lost in the news shuffle though, anybody ever figure out if the young black guy found hanging in a tree near city hall in (totally forgot where the fuck it was but I feel like it was weird because it wasn't the south) was a "suicide" as the initial police "investigation" found?

[feelotraveller]

Slightly concerning how easily things are getting lost in the news shuffle though, anybody ever figure out if the young black guy found hanging in a tree near city hall in (totally forgot where the fuck it was but I feel like it was weird because it wasn't the south) was a "suicide" as the initial police "investigation" found?

Palmdale California on Wednesday about 3am.  Still 'under investigation' AFAIK, but then I'm half a world away...

[Red Diamond]

Eh... I don't think most folks really think of the FBI as police, no. Like, they're a law enforcement agency, yes, but they're more domestic intelligence service (Think MI5 or somethin') than beat cop. They tend to deal with more specialized (federal level, i.e. inter-state or what have you) issues than general enforcement. FBI folks are generally referred to as, well, FBI or FBI agents, not police.

Similarly, for all their (especially SWAT's) problems, stuff like investigators or SWAT aren't the primary face and force of the police corruption in the US. Contributory, don't get that wrong for even a second, but they don't catch as much flak or generate as much cause for AA fire. Plus there's some grounds to see their presence and mandate as legitimate. Much of what regular police do... less so, especially given how much they make situations worse.

E:fucking autocorrupt it's too early for your shit

The M15 are secret police.  We just don't go around calling them that because it makes Britain sound like a dictatorship, which in a manner of speaking we actually are.

So the word police is used to describe secretive intelligence gathering entities quite often.

[scriver]

Säpo is Säkerhetspolisen, as opposed to popo, polispolispotatisgrisen

[Iduno]

Ahem. Fair point. Would have been a case of manslaughter, if a non-cop did it.

Should be manslaughter going forward.

Maybe he was some kind of dangerous violent psycho. I'm quite sure someone is already claiming that somewhere on twitter. I mean obviously a 42-year-old asthmatic man with emphysema and a failing heart collapsed lung would terrify anyone into being afraid for their life, amirite?

It should be easy to prove intent, when he said he knows he is killing the person, and he doesn't care. He made a choice, knowingly, to kill.

And I'm like... did no one I know ever hear a single word I said before 2016?  And I'm not trying to be pretentious here and make it about me.  I know many others struggle with this same thing and get frustrated with it.

Police are getting away with it now, because Obama did it. That's why we have predator drones flying over protests. The difference is, it's important to some people to pretend the Democrats and Republicans are any different at all, so they can blame anyone other than themselves for the way the world is.

Tear gas and other such weapons are used to terrify their victims, you use it to make people run blindly away so they're easier to shoot at, there's no "well, tear gas is different because it's not mustard gas" here, yes it's harder to kill with tear gas, it's harder to kill with rubber bullets too, it should still be a war crime to do either to civilians when you have a militarized force undergoing a police action on your soil, and let's not forget shooting medics in there!

Yep. Especially when you're shooting people in the head with the canisters. After preventing them from leaving, because if you shoot them after 8pm it's fine.

[Reelya]

Here's some 'news' for you. Fox News caught photoshopping a masked gunman into a picture of protests.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-14/fox-news-removes-altered-images-of-seattle-protest-zone-chaz/12353582

Notably, they 'shopped the same shooter into two different images at different locations. The identical pose should be a giveaway, if the images weren't already clearly badly photoshopped.

[scriver]

I saw a third image of the same dude -- I think it's from one of those "we're gonna go march around with guns because of 2nd amendment" rallies -- which is either where the guy was from or it was another montage with him. It had a more positive tone to the headline (unless it was sarcastic but I didn't feel so) which makes it pretty ironic.

Over her papers have to put a "this is a montage/edited footage" declaration when they pull this kind of stuff.

[Zangi]

Is too late, people already saw it and formed their opinions.  Many of them will never know any of the details behind that picture anyways.

[Reelya]

I saw a third image of the same dude -- I think it's from one of those "we're gonna go march around with guns because of 2nd amendment" rallies -- which is either where the guy was from or it was another montage with him. It had a more positive tone to the headline (unless it was sarcastic but I didn't feel so) which makes it pretty ironic.

Over her papers have to put a "this is a montage/edited footage" declaration when they pull this kind of stuff.

They're meant to do that in America too.

Note that if it is actually a pro-guns guy, then if it's a Republican anti-government pro-guns guy they're all "yay guns" but when it's someone from the other end of the spectrum who's anti-government and has a gun they're suddenly going "look at these anarchists, and they've got ... guns!".

Edit: checked the news just now and there's a photo of a big black guy carrying an injured right-wing anti-protestor to safety at a protest.
https://www.news.com.au/world/black-lives-matter-google-to-explore-why-churchill-photo-missing-from-search-list/live-coverage/69783df30faf44100cf0564fc8a13548

This was in the UK, so the injured guy was maybe a UKIP supporter or something. Pretty good photo:

[Bumber]

https://youtu.be/kaMq1i7BZuM?t=11

https://youtu.be/pF82Wue_VPE?t=26

[Bumber]

He turned while running and pointed what I assume was the taser (it had a light on it, guessing they have lights on them?) but I'm not sure if it was the one he had been tased with (which would then be inactive or if it did anything would have tased himself) or another one.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/14/us/rayshard-brooks-videos-final-moments/index.html
It's not clear they actually succeeded in tasing him during the struggle. Even if they did, it was the contact taser mode, which means it was still armed for long range. According to the article, the officer (Garrett Rolfe) with the remaining taser did fire his taser at the fleeing Brooks, but it either missed or didn't stop him. It was then that Brooks turned the stolen (and only functional) taser towards Rolfe, resulting in Rolfe drawing his handgun and firing two shots at Brooks.