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[NullForceOmega]

Well, that's a fair statement, we don't have all the facts.  It still seems like something that shouldn't have happened, these men and women are supposed to be there to help people, not kill people.

[SalmonGod]

In my opinion, there should be no reason a person can't be apprehended, once they've been located and pinned down in a contained location.  Even if you can't introduce any measure to incapacitate, I don't see why surroundings can't be fortified for a siege, and the person waited out.

But I wouldn't trust police to apprehend someone who is a verified cop killer, even if it were easily possible.  It gives that person an opportunity to voice their reasoning and possibly motivate others.  And I'm sure they want to maintain the precedent that violence towards police = swift end 100% of the time.

And while many may regard my opinions as unfounded due to lack of first-hand experience, the sad objective fact of the situation is that there is no foundation for anything better, because the firmly established reality is that it's socially and legally acceptable for police to kill someone who is only perceived to be a remotely possible threat for a split second.  Any discussion of expectation beyond this is necessarily opinion-based with little point of reference available (except other countries or rare cases of successfully apprehended violent white people).

[Helgoland]

In my opinion, there should be no reason a person can't be apprehended, once they've been located and pinned down in a contained location.  Even if you can't introduce any measure to incapacitate, I don't see why surroundings can't be fortified for a siege, and the person waited out.

Criminals aren't necessarily idiots. Do you really think he would've given in just because he saw his situation was hopeless? He probably had that as part of his calculation from the beginning. If you're setting up a siege, you're willingly taking the risk that he'll try and break free, killing more people in the process. There's a reason that situations like this one are often ended by storming the attacker's position, not by waiting them out.

[NullForceOmega]

Most ex-military in that situation choose to end their own lives (from what I recall of the figures, my data may be outdated), they might have tried blowing the door so they could attempt an arrest before he decided to kill himself.  (This is just supposition, as stated above, we don't have the data to make clear analysis.)

[Loud Whispers]

One of the suspects in the ambush-style shootings in Dallas that left five police officers dead overnight served in the U.S. Army Reserve. The suspect told a hostage negotiator that he was upset about the recent police shootings of two black men and that he wanted to kill white people, especially police officers, Dallas Police Chief David Brown said at a news conference this morning.

The suspect, who was killed by police when they detonated a bomb delivered by robot, was identified today as 25-year-old Micah Xavier Johnson, multiple law enforcement sources told ABC News.

Johnson served as an Army reservist until April 2015. He was trained and served in the Army Reserve as a carpentry and masonry specialist, defense officials said.

Johnson deployed to Afghanistan from November 2013 to July 2014, according to his service record. He had the rank of a private first class.

The suspect "wanted to kill officers" and "expressed anger for Black Lives Matter," Brown said.

"None of that makes sense," Brown said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/dallas-shooting-suspect-wanted-kill-white-people-white/story?id=40431306

Another Bryce Williams trying to start race war

*EDIT
Smoking in gas stations lol
And facebook caps of M

[RedKing]

Meanwhile, in White America...


Tl;dr -- Cops get call of older white guy standing by the road pointing a shotgun at passing motorists. Sheriff's Deputy approaches the guy without shooting him and wrestles the shotgun away. Guy then pulls a pistol from his back pocket, which the deputy deflects just before it goes off. Guy is STILL not shot, and taken into custody without getting the fuck beaten out of him.

Yeah, no double standard.

[Neonivek]

Meanwhile, in White America...


Tl;dr -- Cops get call of older white guy standing by the road pointing a shotgun at passing motorists. Sheriff's Deputy approaches the guy without shooting him and wrestles the shotgun away. Guy then pulls a pistol from his back pocket, which the deputy deflects just before it goes off. Guy is STILL not shot, and taken into custody without getting the fuck beaten out of him.

Yeah, no double standard.

Hey! We all know only Black people shoot white guys

If that guy actually managed to fire bullets at the cop it would have deflected due to the white pacifism shield they are equipped with.

While if the Black Person touched a gun it would have caused the cop's heart to immediately explode due to the African American death field.

So no double standard.

[Egan_BW]

Ugh, this situation is hateful.

[Loud Whispers]

And facebook caps of M

Leaving aside the hilarity of the names of some of those organisations ('I Love Black Archaeologist' being a personal favourite), I looked up the Black Kings and Queens Project, if only because I wanted to find out if it was a real group or part of the meme.

I still can't tell.

Spoiler: freaking poe's law (click to show/hide)

[SalmonGod]

In my opinion, there should be no reason a person can't be apprehended, once they've been located and pinned down in a contained location.  Even if you can't introduce any measure to incapacitate, I don't see why surroundings can't be fortified for a siege, and the person waited out.

If you're setting up a siege, you're willingly taking the risk that he'll try and break free, killing more people in the process.

Once an area is under control, and authorities are all set up behind sturdy cover, what can the perpetrator reasonably be expected to do that's so dangerous?  If someone is cornered in a confined space with limited exit points, drop a couple embrasure'd barriers in front of those exit points and keep them manned with pointed guns ready.  What is going to happen?  If the person decides to try their luck and make a break for it, they get pathetically sprayed with bullets in an instant, and at that point, I would not have a problem with it.  I'm no trained tactical expert, but my imagination cannot conceive of a person being able to pose any appreciable threat, without pulling some unrealistic super spy/Macgyver shit.

I don't what the final situation with this guy looked like, so maybe my logic is not applicable.  Maybe this shooter still had full control over a floor of the parking garage.  Maybe he had locked himself in a janitor closet.  I don't know.  When they could arrange for explosives to be delivered to the guy, but not gas or stun, I'm leaning towards the latter.

But there have definitely been situations in the past, like when Christopher Dorner was caught hiding in a mountain cabin all by himself, they had the place surrounded, a three-mile perimeter established, were able to manage the scene for several hours without further injury to anyone while messing about with tear gas and demolition vehicles... but then gave up and decided to burn the place down with him inside.

Spoiler: Here's a fun, positive story for a change (click to show/hide)

Oh boy... I think Dallas 7/7 was indeed the start of something big.
Officer shot in the back in St Louis
Officer ambushed responding to a bait 911 call Valdosta, Georgia

[Neonivek]

>_< UGH!!!

People stop shooting the police they are not by large the ones responsible.

I really hope stupidity doesn't happen and they take these police shootings as evidence that the police were right all along. >_<

[Frumple]

They're already trying? Was noted upthread it's already trying to be spun as the whole "it's so dangerous for police" thing. Or in the ameripol thread, I guess.

[Loud Whispers]

>_< UGH!!!

People stop shooting the police they are not by large the ones responsible.

I really hope stupidity doesn't happen and they take these police shootings as evidence that the police were right all along. >_<

Not by large? Are they either responsible for the shooting of innocent african americans therefore deserving of killing, or only to a much lesser extent deserving of killing? Cos loads of innocent police getting killed out of revenge for shit they didn't do isn't stupidity happening, cops care a hell of a lot less about narratives and more about not getting murdered lol

It's pretty hard to tell cops that everyone means them well when they see protesters carving up stuffed pigs with police hats on them only to have police getting gunned down cos they're white cops

Attorney General Loretta Lynch told law enforcement union leaders Friday that it’s unlikely the Justice Department will pursue hate crime charges in Thursday’s Dallas shooting of police officers, Yahoo News has learned, because the suspect in the crime is dead.

Lynch told the leaders in the 45-minute meeting that a hate crime investigation would be on the table if more suspects are discovered, according to a police union official at the meeting. So far, investigators have said that evidence suggests the suspect, Micah Johnson, a 25-year-old Army veteran, acted alone. “We continue to have faith that the attorney general is going to take this as far as it goes,” the police union official said.

Dallas Police Chief David Brown said Friday morning the suspect in the murders of five police officers said he “wanted to kill white people, especially white officers.” The suspect told police he was not affiliated with any group and that he was upset by recent police shootings of black men. Police later killed him with a robot-operated bomb.
rofle

Can't prosecute dead people

[Playergamer]

so...I have this weird feeling this won't be classified as a hate crime. or a terrorist attack.

even though it's both.

love you america.

[Max™]

Well, hate crimes are very american, but we don't like admitting to home grown terrorists, people are still more likely to mention "the orlando shooting" rather than "the orlando terror attack" or it being a hate crime, aren't they?