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[(int) magicMissile]

THREAD GUIDELINES
1. Don't insult each other. That just ain't cool, dawgs.
2. Try not to insult the people in question. We don't want da poleec comin' down on our heads, yo.
3. No dox or nudes. Nobody want that shizz in da hood.
4. I can't think of anything else and I ran out of stereotypical '90s rap slang at #2.

I'm sure a lot of you have heard about this scandal by now, and I'm wondering where you stand on it.

To those of you who haven't heard about it, here's a brief timeline:-

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Zoe Quinn is the game developer of Depression Quest, which is a free text based adventure on Steam. The game got a large amount of publicity from a few articles posted on RockPaperShotgun and Kotaku, along with a game jam falling apart due to sexism and misogyny.

Zoe Quinn was involved in the collapse of the game jam named GAME_JAM, which involved her allegedly being sexually harassed and having constant weird emotional pressure being put on the game developers involved in said game jam. Sources: 1, 2

Zoe was also involved in a smaller scandal with Wizardchan, an imageboard dedicated to socially awkward perpetual virgins. Essentially, she accused them of harassing her, utilising a few posts from a thread about herself as evidence of this harassment. More information that emerged suggested this wasn't the entire story. Source: 1

Recently, accusations have emerged from a former ex boyfriend of her's that she cheated on him with a number of people, including games journalists (primarily Nathan Grayson, the person who wrote the article about the aforementioned game jam on Kotaku and did some opinion pieces on Depression Quest) and her own boss. He posted an extensive and sourced blog post containing all this information. Sources: 1 (Ex-boyfriend's blog), 2

Zoe responded to this with a blog post accusing the people of bring this to light of trying to control her and her body, whilst the issue remains that she is sexually involved with at least one journalist that has written about her and her games and has not disclosed it. Source: 1

Kotaku's also responded to this with a blog post stating that they are on the side of Nathan Grayson, since any articles he wrote were BEFORE he had started sleeping with her. Allegedly, their relationship started in early April (the fourth month of the year) after the article that was written on the 31st of March. Source: 1

Reddit, RockPaperShotgun, Kotaku and similar sites are shutting down all possible discussions of this, due to the fact that this discussion is labelled as harassment of Zoe. Said sites seem to have a relationship beyond the purely professional with Ms Quinn. Sources: 1, 2

Anyone that does post about this (TotalBiscuit is the best example, as he made a blog post about it and the lack of transparency about her personal involvement) is harassed and accused of being, essentially, worthless scum who deserves to be gotten rid of. Sources: 1, 2

On top of this, Zoe has been promoting her own game jam (Rebel Game Jam), and there have been a large amount of accusations directed towards her that she has intentionally shut down another game jam directed towards women (The Fine Young Capitalists' Game Jam) in order to push her own agenda. There are even accusations heading back to the game jam at the start of the year, since she has gotten the funding for the Rebel Game Jam with the people who were running that one. Sources: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

4chan has now donated over $5k to the aforementioned inclusive game jam and gotten a character out of it.

The Young Fine Capitalist's IndieGOGO page gets hacked and made to look like it has been closed. Sources: The Fine Young Capitalists Statement, 2

I have tried to stay as neutral as possible throughout my post.

What do you all think of this situation?

[Detharon]

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142602.0

Seeing how the other thread ended up, perhaps it isn't the best idea to start it again.

[(int) magicMissile]

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142602.0

Seeing how the other thread ended up, perhaps it isn't the best idea to start it again.

As long as we're all civil, it should be fine.

Right?

[miauw62]

We had a previous thread and it blew up rather badly.
This isn't going to work.

[(int) magicMissile]

We had a previous thread and it blew up rather badly.
This isn't going to work.

Don't be negative. Breathe in, hold the breath for 3 seconds and release all that negative energy.

And then discuss the topic at hand without insulting anyone.

[Tawa]

Dude, this is Bay12. We can't discuss such a volatile topic without it eventually exploding.

Not that you'd know that.

Anyway, I think we've discussed the topic at hand enough already with the previous thread.

[My Name is Immaterial]

It's a very divisive issue. Some people love her. Some people hate her. Some people don't care. Whatever you opinion is, it probably won't be changed by discussion. Sorry, but this thread doesn't need to exist.

[10ebbor10]

Consider the previous thread blew up rather explosively, ultimately ending with the thread being locked by Toady, I think you should be a bit careful.

And this thread is kind of a toxic report magnet.  People shouldn't call each other names and otherwise disregard the forum guidelines.  I think it's best to lock this one -- the topic creator is absent and the opening post is somewhat ill-suited to repair the discussion.

Try setting out some guidelines in the OP, and you might need to be rather involved.

Dude, this is Bay12. We can't discuss such a volatile topic without it eventually exploding.

We can actually. It's just that as the amount of people involved in a conversation increases, the chance that 2 equally convinced, but diametrically opposed people meet eventually approaches one.

[TamerVirus]

RAGE IMMINENT

[10ebbor10]

People are way to pessimistic. Have some faith in yourselves and others.

[(int) magicMissile]

Try setting out some guidelines in the OP, and you might need to be rather involved.

Dude, this is Bay12. We can't discuss such a volatile topic without it eventually exploding.

We can actually. It's just that as the amount of people involved in a conversation increases, the chance that 2 equally convinced, but diametrically opposed people meet eventually approaches one.

Guidelines set out. Let's hope this works.

[alway]

The more I hear about this, the more it sounds like petty attempts at 'slut shaming' with an undercurrent of 'women aren't allowed to want sex.' What? She cheated on her boyfriend? She had sex with several people? The nerve of her! Whatever is she doing outside of her man's kitchen! It all very much smacks of a lowest common denominator smear campaign.

[TamerVirus]

I have to laugh at how this caused Phil Fish to rage quit the industry
again

[(int) magicMissile]

The more I hear about this, the more it sounds like petty attempts at 'slut shaming' with an undercurrent of 'women aren't allowed to want sex.' What? She cheated on her boyfriend? She had sex with several people? The nerve of her! Whatever is she doing outside of her man's kitchen! It all very much smacks of a lowest common denominator smear campaign.

Not the fact that the people she had sex with did not delineate between a personal and professional life, and that those people did not give any sort of disclosure on this fact?

I'm angrier at the journalists and their sites, more than anything else. I can't be angry at a person for using whatever they can in life to claw their way to the top, but a breach of what little journalistic ethical integrity they had on this level is disgraceful.

[Wolfhunter107]

Snip

That not what I'm seeing at all.