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Author Topic: Zoegate, AKA the fall of Video Game Media.  (Read 27264 times)

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Re: Zoegate, AKA the fall of Video Game Media.
« Reply #150 on: August 20, 2014, 03:01:23 pm »
Another little set of links I've found for your viewing pleasure.
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Re: Zoegate, AKA the fall of Video Game Media.
« Reply #151 on: August 20, 2014, 03:03:16 pm »
That's not how links work D:
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« Reply #152 on: August 20, 2014, 03:06:35 pm »
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« Reply #153 on: August 20, 2014, 03:19:54 pm »
Has anyone even thrown out 'MRA' this discussion? The sexualized issue is only a side that was shitty inside of itself. There's a lot more to this.. erm... story? Multiple stories? It's hard to tell because the original post and those coming after seemed to want to discuss all those "reviews" which she supposedly benefited from but then switched tracks to her horrible lying... which might have been a misunderstanding or something, it's hard to tell in the shitstorm.

Though I have done some digging on the "proofs" about her faking the document drops.
"Proof 1" involves her cell phone's area code being from Hawaii... which isn't exactly an air tight proof
"Proof 2" is that it was impossible for her Tumblr to have been used from multiple places... I haven't tried this before, but others are claiming that they've never encountered additional security when traveling abroad and then there's this method, which was also compromised.

So basically, even if you're disregarding everything that she says in her own defense, there are some weaknesses in that part of the narrative.

Oh, and as the closest thing to a "SJWer" in this thread, I gotta lol at some of the accusations going around here. Don't worry guys, I can safely say that none of you (that I've seen accused) are SJWers.
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Re: Zoegate, AKA the fall of Video Game Media.
« Reply #154 on: August 20, 2014, 03:24:24 pm »
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.858347-Zoe-Quinn-and-the-surrounding-controversy?page=31#21285187

The escapist editor in chief:
"The Escapist ran a story about Quinn's harassment in late 2013 with little evidence other than her word."

This is pretty unprofessional of them.
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Re: Zoegate, AKA the fall of Video Game Media.
« Reply #155 on: August 20, 2014, 03:34:53 pm »
A whole lot of this comes from hearsay, so what's what will never be known.

Though there is that indie dev on twitter who claimed to be sexual harassed by Zoe at a wedding, only to be screamed down by...Phil Fish
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Re: Zoegate, AKA the fall of Video Game Media.
« Reply #156 on: August 20, 2014, 03:46:54 pm »
Quote from: Glowcat on August 20, 2014, 03:19:54 pm
Has anyone even thrown out 'MRA' this discussion?

Mictlantecuhtli has several times.

Quote from: Mictlantecuhtli on August 20, 2014, 10:24:10 am
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Re: Zoegate, AKA the fall of Video Game Media.
« Reply #157 on: August 20, 2014, 03:47:15 pm »
When its gamers/forum goers talking, its slightly bad to claim stuff from unfounded hearsay yet it can be excused, when its leading magazines that shape opinions, that's very bad and can't be excused.
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« Reply #158 on: August 20, 2014, 03:49:12 pm »
Quote from: penguinofhonor on August 20, 2014, 03:46:54 pm
Mictlantecuhtli has several times.
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Well whatdya know.
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Re: Zoegate, AKA the fall of Video Game Media.
« Reply #159 on: August 20, 2014, 04:51:09 pm »
Quote from: Glowcat on August 20, 2014, 03:19:54 pm
Has anyone even thrown out 'MRA' this discussion? The sexualized issue is only a side that was shitty inside of itself. There's a lot more to this.. erm... story? Multiple stories? It's hard to tell because the original post and those coming after seemed to want to discuss all those "reviews" which she supposedly benefited from but then switched tracks to her horrible lying... which might have been a misunderstanding or something, it's hard to tell in the shitstorm.

There never was a review -- the controversy is supposedly initially about some amount of publicity she was given by the people she slept with. Have you read the blog Zoe's ex put up? (And before you completely dismiss it, as so many people do, as the ramblings of an "ex with an axe to grind", at least skim it first.)  It's lengthy, but enlightening. The abundance of chat logs and absence of a denial from her (she hasn't even said "No, I didn't do it,") is more than enough to accept what he's saying. There's no misunderstanding whatsoever -- she's simply an awful human being (and her gender has nothing to do with it). If you read what her ex has to say about her, it's not difficult at all to understand why people can believe she framed her own "doxxing" (especially since the address given verifiably wasn't hers). The "nudes" that are floating around were from a professional softcore porn shoot she was paid for and she has no rights over them (she signed them all away when she agreed to be photographed).

There's an abundance of evidence that she attacked and shut down a separate, female-oriented game jam event. There are indie game devs on twitter coming out of the woodwork saying they've been harassed by Zoe only to be immediately bullied away by her posse of sycophants. Gaming journalism in general seems desperate to uphold Zoe Quinn as some glorious bastion of feminism in gaming, but she is absolutely not the person you want to be the face of that movement. She clearly has personal issues that cross over into her professional life, and she needs some serious help resolving them. She's toxic to the community.
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Re: Zoegate, AKA the fall of Video Game Media.
« Reply #160 on: August 20, 2014, 04:54:30 pm »
And this thread is kind of a toxic report magnet.  People shouldn't call each other names and otherwise disregard the forum guidelines.  I think it's best to lock this one -- the topic creator is absent and the opening post is somewhat ill-suited to repair the discussion.
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