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[Vilanat]

As long as the Kurds don't become another Israel with their own abused pet.

I wish they would.

Another liberal democracy in the Middle East is definitely positive.

[Zangi]

As long as the Kurds don't become another Israel with their own abused pet.

I wish they would.

Another liberal democracy in the Middle East is definitely positive.

Minus the abused pet of course...  Unless you are implying its worth the price.

[Strife26]

As long as the Kurds don't become another Israel with their own abused pet.

I wish they would.

Another liberal democracy in the Middle East is definitely positive.

Minus the abused pet of course...  Unless you are implying its worth the price.

It's not a difficult implication to argue for. Every country in the world has their abused minority groups. No matter who ends up getting power in Iraq and Syria, there's going to be at least one of them.

[Vilanat]

As long as the Kurds don't become another Israel with their own abused pet.

I wish they would.

Another liberal democracy in the Middle East is definitely positive.

Minus the abused pet of course...  Unless you are implying its worth the price.

That's for the "pet" to ask, not Israel.

[Sheb]

As long as the Kurds don't become another Israel with their own abused pet.

I wish they would.

Another liberal democracy in the Middle East is definitely positive.

Minus the abused pet of course...  Unless you are implying its worth the price.

It's not a difficult implication to argue for. Every country in the world has their abused minority groups. No matter who ends up getting power in Iraq and Syria, there's going to be at least one of them.

I dunno, no group in the US for exemple face this kind of crap.

Also, 300 dead policemen founds in mass grave near Mosul.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

As long as the Kurds don't become another Israel with their own abused pet.

I wish they would.

Another liberal democracy in the Middle East is definitely positive.

I am  a fan of Israel and I am deadly sure that it is the best role model for Ukraine and I think Israel is not exactly liberal by modern standards

[Vilanat]

It's not perfect, far from it, but if future Kurdistan could be half as progressive i'd be happy.

[Sergarr]

As I strongly suspected, the Turkish Sultan's intentions with his operation in Northern Syria were less-than-purely-anti-ISIS, and he has revealed the true purpose of his invasion by effectively declaring war on Assad.

The Turkish military launched its operations in Syria to end the rule of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said Nov. 29.

“In my estimation, nearly 1 million people have died in Syria. These deaths are still continuing without exception for children, women and men. Where is the United Nations? What is it doing? Is it in Iraq? No. We preached patience but could not endure in the end and had to enter Syria together with the Free Syrian Army [FSA],” Erdoğan said at the first Inter-Parliamentary Jerusalem Platform Symposium in Istanbul.

“Why did we enter? We do not have an eye on Syrian soil. The issue is to provide lands to their real owners. That is to say we are there for the establishment of justice. We entered there to end the rule of the tyrant al-Assad who terrorizes with state terror. [We didn’t enter] for any other reason,” the president said.

I wonder if they're going to kick out Turkish students from my university again?

Oh well, at least it seems like the Aleppo battle is progressing rather surprisingly well (for Russia), with a very significant amount of rebel-held territory collapsing and falling into regime hands in the past few days:

Spoiler: before (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: in the process of IT'S HAPPENING (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: after, from Sunday so it might have moved even further in the meantime (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: whole city picture circa July 2016, for comparison (click to show/hide)

It looks like Assad has taken over about half of the rebel-held Eastern Aleppo in the span of less than half a year. Seems like mass bombing hospitals really does help!

[Descan]

So Turkey and Russia normalize relations for, what, 6 months after putting the plane incident behind them?

Welp.

[redwallzyl]

So Turkey and Russia normalize relations for, what, 6 months after putting the plane incident behind them?

Welp.

Putin and Erdogan are dictator buddies now.

[Baffler]

So Turkey and Russia normalize relations for, what, 6 months after putting the plane incident behind them?

Welp.

Putin and Erdogan are dictator buddies now.

Apparently nobody of consequence in Russia has even acknowledged that anything's happened yet.

Also if it interests anyone, some (SFW obviously, but loud) footage from the recently secured areas of Aleppo, mostly at the al-Sakhour district along the new frontline. Not sure what the people are saying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f76mFHu1iDc

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Erdogan's empty loud words that cause zero reaction from Assad or Putin can mean only one thing - Turkey was given a permission to annihilate as much Kurds as it wishes. It was obvious straight from the beginning when Syrian government didn't react to invasion.

Erdogan never wanted to shoot down that Russian plane, it was done by military guys opposed to him. Same officers tried and a failed to do the coup later. Now Turkey is doomed to be yet another Middle Eastern shithole. It is only a matter of time.

[Sergarr]

Erdogan never wanted to shoot down that Russian plane, it was done by military guys opposed to him.

Yeah this is bullshit, Erdogan was harping very very hard with his "inviolable borders" rhetoric at the time, and that "we were totally right to shoot down anyone who illegally crosses our border", I remember that pretty well.

Erdogan is just a slimy fucking bastard, who thought that it was time to start punting Russia to score European value points, and then realized that the wind was blowing the other way, soon after the plane shoot-down. I wonder what the hell he thinks now, though.

EDIT: Oh my fucking god, that's hilarious: Apparently his words didn't count because... they weren't made as a part of a public statement!

It sure doesn't prevent Kremlin's media services from bashing the hell out of people based on "interceptions of private communications" and "words in an interview" and shit, but for Erdogan, I guess they make a speeeeecial exception. Fuckers.

[ragnar119]

Some interesting articles:

We have to accept that Assad will win in Syria – and the West should be ashamed of how we drew the conflict out
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-bashar-al-assad-putin-russia-syrian-forces-aleppo-win-victory-west-should-be-ashamed-a7450336.html

This is why everything you’ve read about the wars in Syria and Iraq could be wrong
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-aleppo-iraq-mosul-isis-middle-east-conflict-assad-war-everything-youve-read-could-be-wrong-a7451656.html

[Loud Whispers]

Some interesting articles:

We have to accept that Assad will win in Syria – and the West should be ashamed of how we drew the conflict out
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-bashar-al-assad-putin-russia-syrian-forces-aleppo-win-victory-west-should-be-ashamed-a7450336.html

This is why everything you’ve read about the wars in Syria and Iraq could be wrong
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-aleppo-iraq-mosul-isis-middle-east-conflict-assad-war-everything-youve-read-could-be-wrong-a7451656.html

Well, I've not much more to add to that
Called it I guess