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Author Topic: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.  (Read 207528 times)

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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1455 on: October 25, 2016, 03:43:50 am »

In Pakistan, 3 armed assailants broke into the sleeping quarters of the police academy, killed over 60 students and wounded more than 100, before being killed / detonating themselves. IS has claimed the attack.

Now, Pakistan. That's the worst case scenario. If IS somehow would manage to gain territory there, nuclear war will ensue. No way that the West (or India, for that matter) would allow Pakistan's nuclear arsenal to fall into IS hands. Let's hope it doesn't evolve past some terror attacks on police academies.

EDIT: the Al-Qaida subgroup Lakshar-e-Langvi has also claimed the attack now.

I doubt, that getting hands on nukes can be so easy for IS.
Like, they are probably most guarded thing in the country.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1456 on: October 25, 2016, 04:20:18 am »

You mean like the oil drills in Iraq and Syria?
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1457 on: October 25, 2016, 05:02:20 am »

They have different religious/political ideologies generally speaking. Often not huge differences because a lot of them splintered from each other, but big enough differences that many hate each other as much as if not more than they hate the countries they fight.

Not sure if I'm remembering correctly or not, but I think ISIS was started by an Al-Qaida splinter group, and the remaining groups of Al-Qaida view them as enemies now.

They, along with others like Hamas and Al nusra, share a common fundamental goal of establishing Islamic states wherever they are. the rest is just details.

As organizations, they may compete for resources or have a different strategy for how achieving their basic goal and thus "hate each other", but it is fairly common for memebers of Al Qaeda to shift to ISIS and vice versa because they are practically the same thing for the little jihadist.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1458 on: October 25, 2016, 05:18:20 am »

You mean like the oil drills in Iraq and Syria?

Pakistan has functioning army, I suppose? (Well, probably better functioning then Iraq and Syrian ones)
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1459 on: October 25, 2016, 06:01:23 am »

What's the difference between Islamic State and Al Qaeda or Taliban which have decades old roots in pakistan?
In addition to what people said, there's also a free things. AQ acts in cells and doesn't really hold territory. Taliban doesn't give a fuck about anything outside Afghanistan. ISIS wants to establish a world-spanning caliphate... or as close as they can get.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1460 on: October 25, 2016, 07:39:49 am »

AQ also wants to establish a world-spanning caliphate, they just take the long view: first terror to cause all-out war between Muslim and the rest, then Caliphate.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1461 on: October 25, 2016, 07:53:41 am »

Yep, in fact, ISIS almost entire modus operandi is derived from the AQ bible, "Management of savagery", only on steroids.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1462 on: October 25, 2016, 08:10:42 am »

AQ worries more about influence and long term power struggles, while IS worries more about tangible power, territory, etc. AQ opposes IS because they view IS as something that is causing the world to become more negative and aware of the impact of islamic terrorism, causing much greater opposition and thus putting their caliphate plans in jeopardy, while IS views AQ as lazy and ineffective and wants things to start happening now as fast as possible. They both have the same goal, however.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1463 on: October 25, 2016, 08:24:27 am »

Then there is also the fact that AQ tends to focus on the "far enemy" aka the West more than ISIS which prioritize killing kuffars in the middle-east.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1464 on: October 25, 2016, 01:24:25 pm »

You mean like the oil drills in Iraq and Syria?

Pakistan has functioning army, I suppose? (Well, probably better functioning then Iraq and Syrian ones)

Kinda, but not really. They recognize that their nuclear stockpiles are a target though, and invest enormously into their security.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1465 on: October 29, 2016, 06:30:15 am »

The Iraqi prime minister has stated that if the Iraqi army encounters any Turkish troops in the battle of Mosul, they will be attacked and killed, to defend the honour of Iraq.
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« Reply #1466 on: October 29, 2016, 09:08:57 am »

The Iraqi prime minister has stated that if the Iraqi army encounters any Turkish troops in the battle of Mosul, they will be attacked and killed, to defend the honour of Iraq.

O.o What..... *facepalm* good way to start a war.....

I get the patriotic feeling behind that, but I'd tell them to GTFO first before shooting them if they refused to GTFO.

edit: Also, linkage to the source at least?
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1467 on: October 29, 2016, 09:11:36 am »

prolly volksrant

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« Reply #1468 on: October 29, 2016, 09:16:33 am »

Yeah
http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/tegenvaller-voor-turkije-sjiitische-milities-openen-aanval-op-is-bij-mosul~a4405091/

I'm sure you're joking with the name, but's it's volks-krant (people's-newspaper) a traditionally leftist newspaper.

(Traditionally, there's 4 major newspapers in the Netherlands. Volkskrant, for the lower class leftists, NRC Handelsblad (New Rotterdam Courant Trade paper), for the higher educated leftists and centrists, Trouw (= "Loyal(ty)"), for the christian democrats, and de Telegraaf (= "the Telegraph"), for the liberal right and the right wing populists. With the advent of the internets though, all newspapers' audiences are waning. I think the Volkskrant might actually still have the most subscribed readers, not sure. De Telegraaf might beat it. I used to read the NRC, but with a management and editorial change a few years ago it's quality really went down far enough for me to switch to the Volkskrant as my primary news source)
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1469 on: November 04, 2016, 01:21:18 pm »

IS is reportedly going door to door now in Mosul, forcing everyone to give them any and all of their male children age 9 and above. They are arming the kids to fight against the coalition. The Forces of Good are going to have to kill many children. :(
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