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Author Topic: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.  (Read 207556 times)

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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1410 on: October 05, 2016, 12:58:48 pm »

I thought it was in response to the Aleppo situation?
The attacking Assad's forces part of the plan is in response to Aleppo. The staff meeting, and the idea to do so using cruise missiles and long range bombs is in response to Russia's confirmation of moving S-300 to the region.
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« Reply #1411 on: October 06, 2016, 06:22:29 pm »

In response to the proposal, a spokesman of the Russian ministry of Defense has stated today to the state press agency TASS that Russia will use violent force against the US if the US bombs they Syrian army, because that could endanger Russian troops.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1412 on: October 07, 2016, 01:17:23 pm »

Russia says it may reopen Soviet-era military bases in Cuba and Vietnam

Hello the second cold war. It should be entertaining 
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« Reply #1413 on: October 07, 2016, 02:01:11 pm »

Woohoo. Lemme reserve a plane ticket to the Fulda Gap once Reforger starts up.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1414 on: October 07, 2016, 02:31:47 pm »

Wtf I'm dead now

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« Reply #1415 on: October 07, 2016, 03:28:28 pm »

The only way the siege of Allepo will end is by one side coming out on top.

Bombing the Syrian army is retarded and will only prolong the battle.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1416 on: October 07, 2016, 03:46:11 pm »

Wtf I'm dead now
Don't worry, we'll remember to pour tea over that particular bit of irradiated wasteland.
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« Reply #1417 on: October 07, 2016, 03:51:35 pm »

The only way the siege of Allepo will end is by one side coming out on top.

Bombing the Syrian army is retarded and will only prolong the battle.
Now I know what was the best way to stop WW2 attrocites. We all had to surrender to Hitler.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1418 on: October 07, 2016, 04:07:45 pm »

Wtf I'm dead now
Don't worry, we'll remember to pour tea over that particular bit of irradiated wasteland.
It'd be irradiated riverlands, so just dump some tea into the gulf stream or whatever currents remain of it, they'd meet my skelebones in the end

Now I know what was the best way to stop WW2 attrocites. We all had to surrender to Hitler.
Nah, the West had two totalitarian foes: the USSR and Nazi
But to defeat the Nazi, had to make the USSR a friend (or at least, provide military assistance instead of military assaults)
Trying to bomb USSR and Nazi at the same time would just mean the war would never end, or worse, the war would be lost

We currently look at Iraq and explain that the evaporation of the Iraqi government and military created a power vacuum that led to the rise of jihadist militants. Yet now we look at Syria and think destroying the Syrian military will make destroying jihadist militants easier

???
Add that to the really dodgy stuff about Defence Intelligence Agencies in the West knowing that salafists are the principle driving force behind the insurgency is pretty dodge

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« Reply #1419 on: October 07, 2016, 05:55:00 pm »

If we assume that Assad is lesser evil than rebels then you need to enter war on his side. It is that simple.

In fact the proper thing do is - International coalitioning should issue ultimatum to all local forces to lay down arms and accept temporary occupation. Everyone who refuses should be elimenated by force. We only need working Uninted Nations for that. LOL
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1420 on: October 07, 2016, 06:16:24 pm »

International Coalition has not the ballz to be doing that.  Nor does it want to foot the responsibility.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1421 on: October 07, 2016, 06:33:04 pm »

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I say 12 years until the first space elevator opens.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1422 on: October 08, 2016, 12:03:29 am »

We have always been at war with Soviet Russia.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1423 on: October 08, 2016, 12:54:04 am »

All totalitarians are equal but some totalitarians are more equal than others.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1424 on: October 09, 2016, 04:51:33 am »

While there's been a suspicious lack of reports, the Assad's government forces (or Iranians pretending to be them) have advanced... quite a lot in Aleppo during the last 10 days (it says "from September 20", but the first conquest date on the map itself is September 29):
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Now I understand why everyone is in such a panic to try and stop the airstrikes in Aleppo from happening. It's really amazing how much a 24/7 bombing campaign with high quality pilots and a "relaxed" ROE can help to attack heavily fortified locations.

In other news, fucking Saudis (who aren't getting bombed, and with no one calling to their leader to go) have bombed a funeral, killing 140 people and injuring more than 500 in a single go. A precision bomb strike on a purely civilian object with high casualties - and yet, no calls to regime change Saudi Arabia, and USA will merely "review its support for the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen".

I guess their "strategic ally to USA" status acts as an unlimited-use Get Out Of Jail Free card.
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