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[Baffler]

I tend to not believe in coincedences. Somehow Turkey started to get much more terrorist attacks since they shot down the Russian child murderer.

They've also recently started exchanging artillery fire (from within their borders) with the YPG in Syria. It could easily been in response to that.

[Loud Whispers]

I tend to not believe in coincedences. Somehow Turkey started to get much more terrorist attacks since they shot down the Russian child murderer.

It's almost like they cracked down on the Kurds militarily or something

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I tend to not believe in coincedences. Somehow Turkey started to get much more terrorist attacks since they shot down the Russian child murderer.

They've also recently started exchanging artillery fire (from within their borders) with the YPG in Syria. It could easily been in response to that.

I know. And Kurds are the most likely executors. So what? I am still 90% sure that it is organized by Russians, after all enough Turkish kurds were Russian marxists scum sluts during USSR era. Russia still have enough agents there.

[miljan]

I know. And Kurds are the most likely executors. So what? I am still 90% sure that it is organized by Russians, after all enough Turkish kurds were Russian marxists scum sluts during USSR era. Russia still have enough agents there.

Yea, in fact, I am 129% sure russian also did september 11 , those communist scum are behind it all.

Anyway with more real news, there is a second bomb attack where 6 turkish soldiers died
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-blast-diyarbakir-casualties-idUSKCN0VR0WV

[miljan]

Airstrikes carried out by a US-led coalition purporting to fight Daesh have killed at least 15 civilians, including three children, in northeastern Syria, a monitoring group says.
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/02/18/450986/US-airstrikes-Syria-civilians-killed-

Around 38 civilian died in the last two days from west coalition bombing
http://www.morningnewsusa.com/us-coalition-bombs-civilians-iraq-syria-report-2358780.html

[Sheb]

The same monitoring group says Russia killed 36 civilians (including 31 in a hospital strikes) during the same period. I think it's the first time since Russian operation started when Coalition civilians casualties have topped Russian ones (not even counting the Syrian Air Force's barrel bomb).

[miljan]

The same monitoring group says Russia killed 36 civilians (including 31 in a hospital strikes) during the same period. I think it's the first time since Russian operation started when Coalition civilians casualties have topped Russian ones (not even counting the Syrian Air Force's barrel bomb).

Yea, they probably are, as intensity of russian bombing is several times higher than the coalition, so they will probably have more civilian casualties compared to west ones. And also USA and their allies after all have a lot better experience and tech as they used it very often during the last decade or two in attacking other countries.

[Sheb]

Yeah, the coalition is much more discriminate in their strikes: again according to the SOHR back in january Russia had killed ~3000 people including 1000 civies, while the Coalition's total was standing at 4,250 including 322 civies. 

It should also be noted that the 1,100 of the Russians' total are non-IS fighters, but the SOHR doesn't give more details on who they are, and that total include groups like al-Nusra.

I can't easily find numbers about the total numbers of sorties though.

[Strife26]

It's the new Cold War competition! Instead of scoring more goals in hockey, score fewer shrapnel chunks in noncombatants.

[miljan]

Yeah, the coalition is much more discriminate in their strikes: again according to the SOHR back in january Russia had killed ~3000 people including 1000 civies, while the Coalition's total was standing at 4,250 including 322 civies. 

It should also be noted that the 1,100 of the Russians' total are non-IS fighters, but the SOHR doesn't give more details on who they are, and that total include groups like al-Nusra.

I can't easily find numbers about the total numbers of sorties though.

Yea, there is also a problem that a lot of west similar to russia is hiding the number of civilian deaths
Airwars project details ‘credible reports’ of at least 459 non-combatant deaths, including 100 children, in 52 air strikes
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-strikes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report

And also the problem with SOHR them selves as they are known to be of supporting rebels and are very biased themselves(the founder is a sunni that was imprisoned few times in syria and run away in 2000, and than formed that organisation in 2006 including the way they gather information(mostly from phone calls).

"For nearly two years, SOHR has reported only acts of violence by the regime against the rebels. Mainstream international media like the BBC, al-Jazeera and al-Arabya, have relied on it as their sole source of news.

In recent months, several experts and Syrians interviewed by AsiaNews accused Western and Gulf State media of selective reporting. More recently, coverage has become more impartial, but SOHR continues to defend Islamic extremists to avoid losing support among rebel forces. In the case of Hatla, the SOHT reported said that residents had sided with the regime and housed Syrian soldiers."

So you will need to take their information  with grain of salt as a lot of things they say  will probably always tip the information in one side. Thats generally why main west propaganda channels take most of info from them.

Its a nasty thing to get information in the war, but still there is no doubt that civilians are dying all the time

[Sheb]

True, Airwar's numbers are higher, but they also include operations in Iraq and their methodoloy is different from that of the SOHR. Notably, they track "probable" death, while the SOHR tracks casualties confirmed by at least two testimony on the ground. And since airwar doesn't track Russia's strike, we can't really compare their numbers.

As for the SOHR's bias... Well, unless you think they're making casualties up. They might not report on all exactions from rebels, but we're not talking about that here. And you're the one that brought them up in the first place (or rather, a iranian article citing them), so it seemed fair to look up their numbers.

So yeah, civilians are dying. But with a bit of context (which was suspiciously lacking from your original post), we see that relatively few are dying because of the Coalition's airstrikes, compared to the effect it had on ISIS or to the campaigns of other actors in the conflict.

[Loud Whispers]

Aid to the Gov and Rebel towns might be able to be sent by everyone, though for risk that murrican or brit planes could be mistaken for attack forces the Ameribrit aid will continue traveling by road as usual, so for any air drops to areas that cannot be reached by road due to "obstacles" the UN is trying to use Russian planes to airdrop aid since Russians won't mistake Russians for threats

Progress!

[smjjames]

Aid to the Gov and Rebel towns might be able to be sent by everyone, though for risk that murrican or brit planes could be mistaken for attack forces the Ameribrit aid will continue traveling by road as usual, so for any air drops to areas that cannot be reached by road due to "obstacles" the UN is trying to use Russian planes to airdrop aid since Russians won't mistake Russians for threats

Progress!

But Turkey and their allies could mistake the Russian planes as a threat. Not sure how the American and British planes would be mistaken for attack forces though....

Would also send a rather confusing message to the civillians if the Russians are both bombing them and sending aid at the same time, which could also raise the risk of the planes being shot at.....

Neither article state whether the planes are flying with the Russian/American/British flag on them though when flown by the aid drops.

[Zangi]

Russians probably ain't too keen on sending aid to rebel factions they are bombing.  Just seems more likely for armed forces to take those air-dropped aid packets, rather then the civilians its intended for...

[miljan]

True, Airwar's numbers are higher, but they also include operations in Iraq and their methodoloy is different from that of the SOHR. Notably, they track "probable" death, while the SOHR tracks casualties confirmed by at least two testimony on the ground. And since airwar doesn't track Russia's strike, we can't really compare their numbers.

As for the SOHR's bias... Well, unless you think they're making casualties up. They might not report on all exactions from rebels, but we're not talking about that here. And you're the one that brought them up in the first place (or rather, a iranian article citing them), so it seemed fair to look up their numbers.

So yeah, civilians are dying. But with a bit of context (which was suspiciously lacking from your original post), we see that relatively few are dying because of the Coalition's airstrikes, compared to the effect it had on ISIS or to the campaigns of other actors in the conflict.

I actually was never interested in comparing the numbers , that post was there to show that west is also very much hiding the number of casualties. You are the one that is more interested in comparing the numbers the moment I posted that west killed civilians in bombing to try and show that the russian are worse in this part I guess you are little biased witch is normal as you are member of the west population. And i do think that russia are killing more civilians because of the reason I said in my older post, but as the only source of that information is SOHR, its hard to believe it from them

What I mean about SOHR bias is that they will often on day of bombing declare who bomb the targets. There is no way you can know that, especially was it from russia or syria or west without some research in finding missile debris and even than it will be problematic, and knowing  that they are biased, and how fast they declare who did what and how thye get information, makes it hard to believe them in all this.

I can't easily find numbers about the total numbers of sorties though.

From August 8, 2014 to January 31, 2016 USA did 3,375 Syria strikes + 209 Syria from other west countries 
http://www.defense.gov/News/Special-Reports/0814_Inherent-Resolve
Russian aviation has completed over 5,200 sorties in Syria since the operation began on September 30 till end of the year
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151225/1032286200/russia-syria-operation-targets.html