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Author Topic: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.  (Read 207288 times)

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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #495 on: November 04, 2014, 06:22:08 pm »
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #496 on: November 05, 2014, 07:42:06 am »
Quote from: Sheb on November 04, 2014, 06:22:08 pm
So the shiite militias Iraq and the US are relying on to stop ISIS are now turning on Sunni inhabitants, destroying whole villages.

That's old new, these militias have been massacring the sunni population of any town they capture from ISIS, I first heard of this on tv last month I think.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #497 on: November 08, 2014, 09:11:39 pm »
Quote from: Lt_Alfred on November 05, 2014, 07:42:06 am
Quote from: Sheb on November 04, 2014, 06:22:08 pm
So the shiite militias Iraq and the US are relying on to stop ISIS are now turning on Sunni inhabitants, destroying whole villages.

That's old new, these militias have been massacring the sunni population of any town they capture from ISIS, I first heard of this on tv last month I think.

Iraq a mess of sectarian violence, surprising precisely nobody. More news at 11.
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« Reply #498 on: November 10, 2014, 10:36:13 am »
Looks like mission creep is going to get us with boots on the ground before we even realize that we now truly have 'boots on the ground'.

Though 'boots on the ground' is kind of a vague term anyhow.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #499 on: November 10, 2014, 10:47:49 am »
Didn't Vietnam start like that?
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #500 on: November 10, 2014, 02:49:47 pm »
Quote from: smjjames on November 10, 2014, 10:36:13 am
Looks like mission creep is going to get us with boots on the ground before we even realize that we now truly have 'boots on the ground'.

Though 'boots on the ground' is kind of a vague term anyhow.
Quote from: Helgoland on November 10, 2014, 10:47:49 am
Didn't Vietnam start like that?
Are people just now starting to figure this out?
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #501 on: November 10, 2014, 03:57:45 pm »
To me, that's a good thing - finally military interventions can get rid of the bad rap, at least partially, that Bush has given them. Plus boots on the ground to fight ISIS are a very desirable thing. Hell, it might even finally lead to an independent Kurdistan.
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Quote from: MetalSlimeHunt on December 28, 2014, 03:28:43 am
Arguably he's already a progressive, just one in the style of an enlightened Kaiser.
Quote from: Wolfhunter107 on May 26, 2017, 08:10:14 pm
I'm going to do the smart thing here and disengage. This isn't a hill I paticularly care to die on.

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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #502 on: November 10, 2014, 04:05:00 pm »
Doesn't change the fact that before ISIS blew up, the people in the region didn't want us to have troops in the region and to generally butt out. They still do, but right now, they need the help of the US.

Also, I don't see any similarities to Vietnam, besides, Vietnam was entirely politically driven, this isn't.
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« Reply #503 on: November 10, 2014, 04:09:28 pm »
Its either US troops or ISIS, its not that hard of a choice really.
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« Reply #504 on: November 10, 2014, 04:12:27 pm »
Yeah I know, but its the overstaying our welcome part that I'm talking about.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #505 on: November 10, 2014, 04:20:54 pm »
Quote from: smjjames on November 10, 2014, 04:05:00 pm
Doesn't change the fact that before ISIS blew up, the people in the region didn't want us to have troops in the region and to generally butt out. They still do, but right now, they need the help of the US.

Also, I don't see any similarities to Vietnam, besides, Vietnam was entirely politically driven, this isn't.

I'd say our unwillingness to deploy in force to the region again is definitely politically driven.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #506 on: November 10, 2014, 04:25:35 pm »
Quote from: nenjin on November 10, 2014, 04:20:54 pm
Quote from: smjjames on November 10, 2014, 04:05:00 pm
Doesn't change the fact that before ISIS blew up, the people in the region didn't want us to have troops in the region and to generally butt out. They still do, but right now, they need the help of the US.

Also, I don't see any similarities to Vietnam, besides, Vietnam was entirely politically driven, this isn't.

I'd say our unwillingness to deploy in force to the region again is definitely politically driven.

Only because war exhaustion and we really overstayed our welcome last time.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #507 on: November 10, 2014, 05:42:12 pm »
What welcome?
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #508 on: November 10, 2014, 06:03:48 pm »
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Quote from: MetalSlimeHunt on December 28, 2014, 03:28:43 am
Arguably he's already a progressive, just one in the style of an enlightened Kaiser.
Quote from: Wolfhunter107 on May 26, 2017, 08:10:14 pm
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #509 on: November 18, 2014, 06:48:07 pm »
Crossposting from the middle-east thread.

And all of a sudden, out of left field, ISIS has taken a town in Libya.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/18/world/isis-libya/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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