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[ToonyMan]

why did we shoot Toaster before he used his free-cleanse

[4maskwolf]

Well, at least one scum died.  Now to find the last one...

TolyK: unfortunately for you, this leaves you as my current suspect for scum, since Reverie, Toaster, and Jiokuy all died and MOWE is, in my opinion, less likely to be scum than you due to the fortune teller thing.  At this point, I don't have a strong scum read on anyone, so it comes down to "who do I think is most likely to be scum", and you're the only person I don't have at least a slight town read on.

why did we shoot Toaster before he used his free-cleanse

Toaster had plenty of chances to, he just didn't.  He was on yesterday.

[ToonyMan]

I think it's probably TolyK too.

It's not Flabort, 4mask, or Scripten. That leaves TolyK or Silthuri.

What do you think Silthuri?

[ToonyMan]

It could maybe be Scripten now that we know Varee was town, but their initial build was pretty town-y.

[TolyK]

Alright, I've graverobbed those folks.
Here is what I have:

5xp, Kill Immune, Free-Graverob, Prolific, Flexible, Minimalist, Blatant.

I am not scum, though that obviously wouldn't convince you.

Only confirmed town is Flabort.


Wait a minute there. JIOKUY DIDN'T HAVE BLESS ON HIM.


Let's examine.

Blatant x3
Bless (!!!!)
Cleanse (toaster)
Dense
Flexible x3 (toaster, jiokuy)
Free x2 (lots)
Grave-dig
Hardcore x2 (reverie, toaster)
Inflate
Innate
Intermittent ( )
Magnetic (jiokuy)
Minimalist
Scan (reverie)
Silent (??)
Unable to vote (Kinda sure this is TolyK because my action seems to have been processed before 4mask's)

Spoiler: NQT Post (click to show/hide)

Toaster, Charitable Burgher, Beige, 1xp, TOWN
Free-Cleanse (4 points)
Free Power Swap (4 points)
Flexible (2 points)
Hardcore (-1 Point)

Reverie, Inquistive PI, Ochre, TOWN
Count 2
Free-Patrol -4
Scan -1
Hardcore +1

Jiokuy, Self-Regarding Mime, White, 2xp, SCUM
Flexible 2
Free-Copy-Cat 4
Magnetic -2
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Thus 4mask's idea was not completely done with.

[4maskwolf]

TolyK: An interesting objection, but hardly a pertinent one.  My guess is that Jiokuy bought the copycat at the last minute, when it looked like he would be killed, in order to try and take a townie down with him.  It seems counterproductive for him to have had copycat and magnetic before that.

And if he didn't have the bless, then who would you propose does have it on hand?

[TolyK]

Someone other than Flabort.

I think now is a good time to reread the thread for everyone.

[flabort]

I'm thinking... Toony, when I changeling'd you by mistake, have you done anything since? Bought off anything? Sold anything?
Probably not, eh.

Wolf, I proposed earlier that you may have been scum leading me around by the nose; While I doubt that, it's a possibility to consider.

Silthuri is a possibilty, but with the fortune teller results, it seems unlikely; they could have been fabricated, with the bless thrown in to throw us off the trail. I'm not sure she'd do that, though.

Scripten couldn't have bought a new role yet, due to dense, but could be considered suspicious; What if he was playing the ultimate survival scum, and his role was made to blend in and appear town?

TolyK does seem the most likely to be scum right now, though. He's immune to vig, used to have blood-thirsty and unable to vote (At the same time? How would that have worked?), and somehow has way too much XP.

If we lynch TolyK and he's not scum, I'm thinking I'm going to kill Toony and Silthuri, leaving Scripten, 4mask, and I, and we'll have LYLO with a confirmed towny and two unknowns.

PPE:

Someone other than Flabort.

I think now is a good time to reread the thread for everyone.

Well, yeah, it's not me. And yeah, rereading is a great idea.

[ToonyMan]

TolyK did you get kill-immune after we devised the vig plan? That's dumb. Why would you do that.

I think now is a good time to reread the thread for everyone.

Naaaah

I'm thinking... Toony, when I changeling'd you by mistake, have you done anything since? Bought off anything? Sold anything?
Probably not, eh.

I bought scan and bloodthirsty with the 2xp I had. I can't even do anything this phase unless I buy off intermittent, but like hell I would waste xp on doing that, plus it confirms I didn't do shit this phase.

If we lynch TolyK and he's not scum, I'm thinking I'm going to kill Toony and Silthuri, leaving Scripten, 4mask, and I, and we'll have LYLO with a confirmed towny and two unknowns.

Absolutely fine with this. Heck, you could shoot everyone but yourself to net us the win.

[ToonyMan]

I think that makes this game fundamentally broken. NQT, only allowing one mafia-kill allows town to create a super-vig for an easy win.

[ToonyMan]

I can't even buy off intermittent can I? I forgot it's -2 so I'd need to pay 4 xp.

[Silthuri]

I, personally, am still fairly suspicious of TolyK for lying through his teeth about the unable to vote. Perhaps I missed the explanation of this, but he first lied about saving his vote and then he wouldn't say how many votes he has, then it was eventually revealed he couldn't vote. This has just been bugging me for a long time.

I can use Fortune Teller again tomorrow, yes? Flabort, you may kill me if you wish after I use Fortune Teller a second time and report my results. My flip upon death will confirm my role and town will have some solid information to go on.

[flabort]

Keeping in mind creating this super vig required stealing points from a scum and a fellow town or two scum, completely wiping away most of their powers and points. I'm currently using 26 points of power right now.

Minimal points to create a vig with two kills is 10; that's prolific and kill. If I hadn't eliminated every other kill, by LUCK, then people would argue that the kills had come from multiple sources. The minimal double-vig setup, which would cripple the vig in a big way, would be almost impossible to confirm as town and just as impossible to keep alive. The scum would have surely gone into high gear looking for a double killer if there had been one and killed him ASAP.

Although... Take prolific kill with blatant, minimalist, dense, and unable to vote. Kill as close to the lynch as you can, claim the kills and blatant, and I guess someone can protect you each day. Yeah, I guess town vig's can become a slight bit overpowered.

If we lynch TolyK and he's not scum, I'm thinking I'm going to kill Toony and Silthuri, leaving Scripten, 4mask, and I, and we'll have LYLO with a confirmed towny and two unknowns.

Absolutely fine with this. Heck, you could shoot everyone but yourself to net us the win.

OK, so after killing you and Silth, if the game's STILL not over, I convince 4mask to help me hammer a no-lynch, so that I can kill him and scripten?
Oh, but what if someone gets kill immune? And they're scum?

PPE: Yeash. Never thought I'd actually see so much willingness to die.

[4maskwolf]

Keeping in mind creating this super vig required stealing points from a scum and a fellow town or two scum, completely wiping away most of their powers and points. I'm currently using 26 points of power right now.

Minimal points to create a vig with two kills is 10; that's prolific and kill. If I hadn't eliminated every other kill, by LUCK, then people would argue that the kills had come from multiple sources. The minimal double-vig setup, which would cripple the vig in a big way, would be almost impossible to confirm as town and just as impossible to keep alive. The scum would have surely gone into high gear looking for a double killer if there had been one and killed him ASAP.

Although... Take prolific kill with blatant, minimalist, dense, and unable to vote. Kill as close to the lynch as you can, claim the kills and blatant, and I guess someone can protect you each day. Yeah, I guess town vig's can become a slight bit overpowered.

If we lynch TolyK and he's not scum, I'm thinking I'm going to kill Toony and Silthuri, leaving Scripten, 4mask, and I, and we'll have LYLO with a confirmed towny and two unknowns.

Absolutely fine with this. Heck, you could shoot everyone but yourself to net us the win.

OK, so after killing you and Silth, if the game's STILL not over, I convince 4mask to help me hammer a no-lynch, so that I can kill him and scripten?
Oh, but what if someone gets kill immune? And they're scum?

PPE: Yeash. Never thought I'd actually see so much willingness to die.

Hammering a no-lynch if they don't turn out to be scum is acceptable to me.  Scripten can't buy himself immune to kills, so I am willing to die to let the town win.

[TolyK]

Wait, I'm at hammer-1 again? Seriously?

I obviously had kill-immune since the beginning of the game.
I JUST said that I graverobbed 12 points of powers, can't do anything else today.

Do not want to be hammered. Toony, why'd you do that?
Extend.
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