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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #195 on: July 27, 2014, 11:57:15 am »

I'm just asking when and how?

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #196 on: July 27, 2014, 12:13:30 pm »

Right now, AFAIK, every evil area has foul fog, evil rain, AND undead. When do you plan to give evil areas more variance/personality? For the most part, you've already explained your vision for non-binary good/evil sphere aligned areas, corruption by historical events and malevolent intelligences, and cleansing/purification, so mostly I'm just asking when and how? Like, what sort of stuff would go along with this or happen at the same time, and what needs to be in the game before you can even start working on this?
Generally, questions of when get the answer "No timeline, but it's planned", and questions of how get the answer "We haven't worked out the details yet." As you quoted yourself, the eventual plan is to scrap the Good/Evil regions in favor of sphere-influenced lands, and Toady has mentioned that not all spheres would be suitable to become land-influencing. I'd actually say that many of the moving parts required are already in place. We have randomly-generated creatures, we have interactions, we have sphere links on materials (though technically they wouldn't be placed yet), we have the ability to generate things after history starts running (because, let's face it, it's always !!sad!! when DF generates stuff that can never see the light of day - many of the generated evil weathers, and now spoiler materials, and depending on your settings, unique demons won't be used anywhere). There's still several moving parts that are needed to make those regions interesting, I'd say, as well as lots of detail work, but I'd say Toady might be able to add it in now.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #197 on: July 27, 2014, 12:40:18 pm »

Right now, AFAIK, every evil area has foul fog, evil rain, AND undead. When do you plan to give evil areas more variance/personality? For the most part, you've already explained your vision for non-binary good/evil sphere aligned areas, corruption by historical events and malevolent intelligences, and cleansing/purification, so mostly I'm just asking when and how? Like, what sort of stuff would go along with this or happen at the same time, and what needs to be in the game before you can even start working on this?
Generally, questions of when get the answer "No timeline, but it's planned", and questions of how get the answer "We haven't worked out the details yet." As you quoted yourself, the eventual plan is to scrap the Good/Evil regions in favor of sphere-influenced lands, and Toady has mentioned that not all spheres would be suitable to become land-influencing. I'd actually say that many of the moving parts required are already in place. We have randomly-generated creatures, we have interactions, we have sphere links on materials (though technically they wouldn't be placed yet), we have the ability to generate things after history starts running (because, let's face it, it's always !!sad!! when DF generates stuff that can never see the light of day - many of the generated evil weathers, and now spoiler materials, and depending on your settings, unique demons won't be used anywhere). There's still several moving parts that are needed to make those regions interesting, I'd say, as well as lots of detail work, but I'd say Toady might be able to add it in now.

I would like to add that not every evil region is the same. In 0.40.xx I had a world with an evil region that didn't had evil weather, just undead. In 0.34.XX at least I am pretty sure you could have a region with only evil rain, or only evil fog, or only undead.

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #198 on: July 27, 2014, 12:43:47 pm »

Right now, AFAIK, every evil area has foul fog, evil rain, AND undead. When do you plan to give evil areas more variance/personality? For the most part, you've already explained your vision for non-binary good/evil sphere aligned areas, corruption by historical events and malevolent intelligences, and cleansing/purification, so mostly I'm just asking when and how? Like, what sort of stuff would go along with this or happen at the same time, and what needs to be in the game before you can even start working on this?
Generally, questions of when get the answer "No timeline, but it's planned", and questions of how get the answer "We haven't worked out the details yet." As you quoted yourself, the eventual plan is to scrap the Good/Evil regions in favor of sphere-influenced lands, and Toady has mentioned that not all spheres would be suitable to become land-influencing. I'd actually say that many of the moving parts required are already in place. We have randomly-generated creatures, we have interactions, we have sphere links on materials (though technically they wouldn't be placed yet), we have the ability to generate things after history starts running (because, let's face it, it's always !!sad!! when DF generates stuff that can never see the light of day - many of the generated evil weathers, and now spoiler materials, and depending on your settings, unique demons won't be used anywhere). There's still several moving parts that are needed to make those regions interesting, I'd say, as well as lots of detail work, but I'd say Toady might be able to add it in now.

To expand further, it's on the dev list under Adventurer role: Explorer.

If we'd psychoanalyse( ;) ) the development behaviour of the Toad, you'd see he sorta tries to work off the list. Explorer is the last of the adventurer roles before basic skills, so going by that it could take a while.
On the other hand, he's also gone off the list order. I never thought he'd implement multi-tile trees so soon, for example. And he's already put in the little pokédex you have in the Q-menu, which is under explorer role, so in truth: Who knows?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #199 on: July 27, 2014, 02:04:08 pm »

The nonlethal combat stuff is neat, but I feel like it could use some kind of built-in restraint (such as a way to control your power through [C] combat preferences). It's a little too easy to accidentally wound or kill someone (and by extension invoke a fatal duel) by auto-attacking or slapping a certain body part a few times too many.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #200 on: July 27, 2014, 03:20:32 pm »

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #201 on: July 27, 2014, 06:23:16 pm »

I can do the 2-week generation for a 500-year large region in 40.05 about as fast as I could do a 200-year medium region in the last few patches. Yay!


Maybe I'll try a thousand-year world later.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #202 on: July 28, 2014, 03:27:03 am »

Are post-worldgen roads planned for the current cycle or will we have to wait for the county arc?

I really hope my causeway will see some use (after I retire my fort, of course.).
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #203 on: July 28, 2014, 09:44:20 am »

What does it really mean when they say "It was inevitable"?
You said that the adventure mode AI has some basic emotions and opinions on thing, and while it's understandable that they find a lot of things terrifying(like vampires and criminals), being for the best(like the new overlord they actually don't want to talk about), or being terrific(haven't come across this yet), I can't figure out what they are trying to express with 'it was inevitable'.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #204 on: July 28, 2014, 10:32:12 am »

What does it really mean when they say "It was inevitable"?


I've been assuming it means they're indifferent to the whatever.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #205 on: July 28, 2014, 10:40:38 am »

What does it really mean when they say "It was inevitable"?


I've been assuming it means they're indifferent to the whatever.

That can't be: They have the option to say "I don't care either way".
So my question still stands.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #206 on: July 28, 2014, 11:28:57 am »

What does it really mean when they say "It was inevitable"?


I've been assuming it means they're indifferent to the whatever.

That can't be: They have the option to say "I don't care either way".
So my question still stands.
Seems to me like a version of "It is sad, but not unexpected" without the sadness.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #207 on: July 28, 2014, 11:34:23 am »

Maybe it was something they wanted to do and  would have done if you hadn't.
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« Reply #208 on: July 28, 2014, 12:14:41 pm »

Maybe it was something they wanted to do and  would have done if you hadn't.
Or since they live in a violent world, the are desensitized to mass murder.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #209 on: July 28, 2014, 12:24:16 pm »

Hello!

It would be helpful to find a similar set of parameters for 0.40.04 (or whatever newest release is available).

I manually (that is within the game rather than editing the init file) entered the data into 40.05, the current release, and it crashed the game just as before. While finalizing the sites, the task simply vanishes, no warning, no comment, nothing.

Here are the parameters just in case I mistyped something and the ones crashing 40.05 are not the ones I posted before:

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[WORLD_GEN]
[TITLE:MEDIUM REGION]
[SEED:123Doom123]
[HISTORY_SEED:123Doom123]
[NAME_SEED:123Doom123]
[CREATURE_SEED:123Doom123]
[DIM:129:129]
[EMBARK_POINTS:10000]
[END_YEAR:330]
[BEAST_END_YEAR:200:-1]
[REVEAL_ALL_HISTORY:1]
[CULL_HISTORICAL_FIGURES:0]
[ELEVATION:1:400:1200:401]
[RAINFALL:0:100:200:200]
[TEMPERATURE:25:75:200:200]
[DRAINAGE:0:100:200:500]
[VOLCANISM:0:100:3200:3200]
[SAVAGERY:0:100:300:200]
[ELEVATION_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1]
[RAIN_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1]
[DRAINAGE_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1]
[TEMPERATURE_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1]
[SAVAGERY_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1]
[VOLCANISM_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1]
[MINERAL_SCARCITY:500]
[MEGABEAST_CAP:25]
[SEMIMEGABEAST_CAP:50]
[TITAN_NUMBER:10]
[TITAN_ATTACK_TRIGGER:400:1000000:1000000]
[DEMON_NUMBER:30]
[NIGHT_TROLL_NUMBER:14]
[BOGEYMAN_NUMBER:14]
[VAMPIRE_NUMBER:0]
[WEREBEAST_NUMBER:0]
[SECRET_NUMBER:0]
[REGIONAL_INTERACTION_NUMBER:28]
[DISTURBANCE_INTERACTION_NUMBER:28]
[EVIL_CLOUD_NUMBER:14]
[EVIL_RAIN_NUMBER:14]
[GENERATE_DIVINE_MATERIALS:1]
[GOOD_SQ_COUNTS:200:300:800]
[EVIL_SQ_COUNTS:200:300:800]
[PEAK_NUMBER_MIN:20]
[PARTIAL_OCEAN_EDGE_MIN:2]
[COMPLETE_OCEAN_EDGE_MIN:1]
[VOLCANO_MIN:200]
[REGION_COUNTS:SWAMP:260:1:1]
[REGION_COUNTS:DESERT:260:1:1]
[REGION_COUNTS:FOREST:1500:3:3]
[REGION_COUNTS:MOUNTAINS:1500:2:2]
[REGION_COUNTS:OCEAN:1000:1:1]
[REGION_COUNTS:GLACIER:0:0:0]
[REGION_COUNTS:TUNDRA:0:0:0]
[REGION_COUNTS:GRASSLAND:1500:3:3]
[REGION_COUNTS:HILLS:1500:3:3]
[EROSION_CYCLE_COUNT:1000]
[RIVER_MINS:300:100]
[PERIODICALLY_ERODE_EXTREMES:0]
[OROGRAPHIC_PRECIPITATION:1]
[SUBREGION_MAX:5000]
[CAVERN_LAYER_COUNT:3]
[CAVERN_LAYER_OPENNESS_MIN:0]
[CAVERN_LAYER_OPENNESS_MAX:100]
[CAVERN_LAYER_PASSAGE_DENSITY_MIN:0]
[CAVERN_LAYER_PASSAGE_DENSITY_MAX:100]
[CAVERN_LAYER_WATER_MIN:0]
[CAVERN_LAYER_WATER_MAX:100]
[HAVE_BOTTOM_LAYER_1:1]
[HAVE_BOTTOM_LAYER_2:1]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_GROUND:15]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_1:13]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_2:5]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_3:5]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_4:5]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_5:5]
[LEVELS_AT_BOTTOM:3]
[CAVE_MIN_SIZE:5]
[CAVE_MAX_SIZE:200]
[MOUNTAIN_CAVE_MIN:30]
[NON_MOUNTAIN_CAVE_MIN:60]
[ALL_CAVES_VISIBLE:0]
[SHOW_EMBARK_TUNNEL:2]
[TOTAL_CIV_NUMBER:40]
[TOTAL_CIV_POPULATION:-1]
[SITE_CAP:-1]
[PLAYABLE_CIVILIZATION_REQUIRED:1]
[ELEVATION_RANGES:0:0:0]
[RAIN_RANGES:0:0:0]
[DRAINAGE_RANGES:0:0:0]
[SAVAGERY_RANGES:0:0:0]
[VOLCANISM_RANGES:0:0:0]

Yours,
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