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[gman8181]

@ArKFallen

Thanks, very helpful!


So if I create this civilization, and the pop ratio for breeding females and males is very low, is there anyway for me ensure that at least two of the starting embark members belong to those castes?

If not, I suppose I'd have to find a workaround of some sort like one involving pets or transformations.

Somewhat related; can I make sure the starting population at worldgen has at least one breeding pair.

[ArKFallen]

The wiki says that a can-do-interaction with no usage hint will be used on any valid target, but that doesn't seem to be the case.  Anyone know how to force a creature to use an interaction?

Have you tried a longer time frame for having the interactions? 20 is maybe 2 steps. And dwarfs don't always do reactions immediately when they can. If they can they will always do it (eventually). Jack it to 100-200 and adjust the wait_period accordingly.

Also, 'Awakening Dolomite' won't apply (because of no effect).

So if I create this civilization, and the pop ratio for breeding females and males is very low, is there anyway for me ensure that at least two of the starting embark members belong to those castes?

If not, I suppose I'd have to find a workaround of some sort like one involving pets or transformations.

If this is for distribution: nothing short of DFHack wizardry, which I lack. (The breeding civ pets idea is workable, might want to fiddle with orientation so you don't occasionally get dud pairings)
If this is for personally faffing about: you can adjust the world's raws before embarking, save and exit on embark, and then change it back. I have done this for more than a few forts.

Somewhat related; can I make sure the starting population at worldgen has at least one breeding pair.

World Gen has changed too much for me to give a definite answer or even a guess.

[Dirst]

The wiki says that a can-do-interaction with no usage hint will be used on any valid target, but that doesn't seem to be the case.  Anyone know how to force a creature to use an interaction?

Have you tried a longer time frame for having the interactions? 20 is maybe 2 steps. And dwarfs don't always do reactions immediately when they can. If they can they will always do it (eventually). Jack it to 100-200 and adjust the wait_period accordingly.

Also, 'Awakening Dolomite' won't apply (because of no effect).

Thanks, I'll put in some innocuous effect for the syndrome, but I'm really only interested in the interaction-trigger.

I went with 20 ticks because I didn't want a miner to dig from one boobytrapped tile into another while all of the timers were still running.  But given that an inhalant is far from a foolproof delivery method, and single-tile clusters don't seem to ever be near each other, so a longer duration probably won't be a problem.

[Spehss _]

What's an easy way to make a creature that will die instantly (or almost instantly), and preferably by suffocation?

Got a simple dummy creature made with a simple 1 part body for being used in transformations to turn living creatures into gold statues. The dummy creature is supposed to die and leave behind the gold statue. Problem is, it's not dying.

Spoiler: raws (click to show/hide)

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[CREATURE:GOLD_LIVING] //creates a dummy creature for transforming creatures caught in gold dragon breath into gold ore
[DESCRIPTION:The last remnants of some poor creature that was caught in the magic breath of a gold dragon. It's very body has been turned to a gold statue, and the poor creature will spend its last moments encased in a cold golden shell, suffocating, blind, deaf, and devoid of any senses or capacity for motion.]
[NAME:living gold statue:living gold statues:living gold]
[CASTE_NAME:living gold statue:living gold statues:living gold]
[CREATURE_TILE:'*'][COLOR:6:0:1]
[PETVALUE:0]
[FREQUENCY:0]
[NOBONES][IMMOBILE]
[BIOME:NONE]
[BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:GOLD:INORGANIC:GOLD]
[TISSUE:GOLD]
[TISSUE_NAME:gold:gold]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:INORGANIC:GOLD]
[MUSCULAR]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:GOLD]
[ITEM_CORPSE:STATUE:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:GOLD]
[ITEMCORPSE_QUALITY:5]
[CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
[GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:50000]
[NO_DIZZINESS]
[NO_FEVERS]
[ODOR_LEVEL:0] no smell
[SMELL_TRIGGER:10000] cannot smell
[MAXAGE:0:0]
[FANCIFUL]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:GOLD]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:GOLD:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:body:SINGULAR]

Also, anyone know the tile value for the Omega symbol used for statues?

[Dirst]

To update, adding an effect to the syndrome didn't seem to matter because the interaction still isn't called even if I extend the can-do-interaction to 300 ticks or so.

I also found out that modtools/add-syndrome doesn't work for me

Maybe I can re-work the logic into a syndrome-trigger script, then I won't need the interactions at all.  I'll just need to rifle through the syndrome-utils stuff to figure out if the unit is affected by the "favor" syndrome.

[Putnam]

I also found out that modtools/add-syndrome doesn't work for me

what're you doing?

[TomiTapio]

Also, anyone know the tile value for the Omega symbol used for statues?

<looks at his Ironhand-to-ASCII two-layer helper picture> Omega tile is 234.
Regular 1partbody / 2partbody creature with no [BREATHE]-tagged bodypart (usually a lung) should suffocate.

I hope you have a text editor that does "find string in these subfolders' files", it is super handy when modding.
(code editors such as Crimson Editor, Emerald Editor, Notepadplusplus, see maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_text_editors  )

[heydude6]

What's an easy way to make a creature that will die instantly (or almost instantly), and preferably by suffocation?

Got a simple dummy creature made with a simple 1 part body for being used in transformations to turn living creatures into gold statues. The dummy creature is supposed to die and leave behind the gold statue. Problem is, it's not dying.

Spoiler: raws (click to show/hide)

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[CREATURE:GOLD_LIVING] //creates a dummy creature for transforming creatures caught in gold dragon breath into gold ore
[DESCRIPTION:The last remnants of some poor creature that was caught in the magic breath of a gold dragon. It's very body has been turned to a gold statue, and the poor creature will spend its last moments encased in a cold golden shell, suffocating, blind, deaf, and devoid of any senses or capacity for motion.]
[NAME:living gold statue:living gold statues:living gold]
[CASTE_NAME:living gold statue:living gold statues:living gold]
[CREATURE_TILE:'*'][COLOR:6:0:1]
[PETVALUE:0]
[FREQUENCY:0]
[NOBONES][IMMOBILE]
[BIOME:NONE]
[BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:GOLD:INORGANIC:GOLD]
[TISSUE:GOLD]
[TISSUE_NAME:gold:gold]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:INORGANIC:GOLD]
[MUSCULAR]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:GOLD]
[ITEM_CORPSE:STATUE:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:GOLD]
[ITEMCORPSE_QUALITY:5]
[CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
[GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:50000]
[NO_DIZZINESS]
[NO_FEVERS]
[ODOR_LEVEL:0] no smell
[SMELL_TRIGGER:10000] cannot smell
[MAXAGE:0:0]
[FANCIFUL]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:GOLD]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:GOLD:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:body:SINGULAR]

Maybe if you make it have gold skin but pure brain on the inside then it will suffocate?  If not, try giving it boiling blood and maybe it's brain will immediately melt, killing it. If that doesn't work maybe try removing the brain then and making it BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT, while keeping the boiling blood. These are all of my ideas, I never tried them so this is all theoretical.

[Dirst]

I also found out that modtools/add-syndrome doesn't work for me

what're you doing?

I'm not at my machine now, but I was using

modtools/add-syndrome -syndrome "granite favor" -target 14145

And got an error from inside IsValidTarget about checking the caste (that's in syndrome-util).  It throws the same error even if I add the -skipImmunities flag.

Edit: Fixed a typo because my smartphone likes to change things when I'm not paying attention.

[Spehss _]

Tested my dummy creature in arena with [MAX_AGE:0:0] and it died instantly. So that's one way to do it. Dislike the death report about old age but it will work until I find another way to handle it.

[FallenAngel]

[SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:ALL]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_TYPE:ALL:BONE]

[SELECT_MATERIAL:BONE]
[TL_VASCULAR:0]

Remove the blood material as well.  My 'bonedaddies' just shredded each other, yet are completely alive, though much more resilient to attack.

I might have made a mistake... they're painfully resilient but apparently the "muscle" tissue still exists, as does fat.

[ArKFallen]

I might have made a mistake... they're painfully resilient but apparently the "muscle" tissue still exists, as does fat.

Do not use [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SKIN:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE] or any of the tissue body detail plans when creating 1 material monsters. If you used pisskop's code and the default vertebrate_tissue_layers you will only have given them one extra bone layer everywhere.

[FallenAngel]

...that must be it.
Still, they're nigh invulnerable at this point, but still can't beat a human in a practical period of time.
100% solid bone should solve that.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Tested my dummy creature in arena with [MAX_AGE:0:0] and it died instantly. So that's one way to do it. Dislike the death report about old age but it will work until I find another way to handle it.

dummy creature that dies instantly:
Have a material that melts or takes damage (HEAT_DAM) around 9000.
create FUNCTIONAL tissue that uses this death material
give dummy brain
make brain out of Death tissue.

also remove all tags that are relevant to no-thought or living without a brain
creatures own body heat and the surrounding heat will damage the brain insta-killing it.

[FallenAngel]

Somewhere I made DF throw a fit - viewing the description of skeletons makes the game freeze up, but only when you're playing as one.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

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[CREATURE:SKELETON]
[DESCRIPTION:A skeletal humanoid bent on chaos.]
[NAME:skeleton:skeletons:skeletal]
[CASTE_NAME:skeleton:skeletons:skeletal]
[CREATURE_TILE:215][COLOR:7:0:1]
[CREATURE_SOLDIER_TILE:206]
[INTELLIGENT]
[CANOPENDOORS]
[NO_CONNECTIONS_FOR_MOVEMENT]
[NOEXERT]
[NOSKIN]
[NONAUSEA]
[NOEMOTION]
[NOBREATHE]
[NO_EAT]
[NO_DRINK]
[NOPAIN]
[NOSTUCKINS]
[NOSTUN]
[NOT_LIVING]
[OPPOSED_TO_LIFE]
[NO_THOUGHT_CENTER_FOR_MOVEMENT]
[EXTRAVISION]
[SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:ALL]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_TYPE:ALL:BONE]
[SELECT_MATERIAL:BONE]
[TL_VASCULAR:0]
[PREFSTRING:visible bones]
[BODY:HUMANOID_NECK:HUMANOID_JOINTS:NECK:SPINE:SKULL:MOUTH:5FINGERS:5TOES:TEETH:RIBCAGE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:NAIL:NAIL_TEMPLATE]
[USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:NAIL:NAIL_TEMPLATE]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:FINGER:NAIL:FRONT]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:TOE:NAIL:FRONT]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RELSIZES]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:4000]
[BODY_SIZE:1:168:17500]
[BODY_SIZE:12:0:70000]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:75:95:98:100:102:105:125]
[APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:500]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:75:95:98:100:102:105:125]
[APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:500]
[SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]
[BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:GAPS:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
[APP_MOD_NOUN:teeth:PLURAL]
[BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:100:100:100:100:100:100:100] for vampires
[APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:1000]
[APP_MOD_NOUN:teeth:PLURAL]
[APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:30:60:90:110:150:190]
[SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:SKULL]
[BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HIGH_CHEEKBONES:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
[BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROAD_CHIN:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
[BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:JUTTING_CHIN:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
[BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:SQUARE_CHIN:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
[SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD]
[BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
[APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]
[APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:91:94:98:102:106:109]
[BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
[APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]
[APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:91:94:98:102:106:109]
[ATTACK:PUNCH:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:GRASP]
[ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:punch:punches]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK:KICK:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:STANCE]
[ATTACK_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:kick:kicks]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
[ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:SCRATCH:CHILD_TISSUE_LAYER_GROUP:BY_TYPE:GRASP:BY_CATEGORY:FINGER:NAIL]
[ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:scratch:scratches]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
[ATTACK:BITE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]
[ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
[ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
[ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
[EQUIPS]
[DIURNAL]
[SMELL_TRIGGER:10000]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_BIPED_GAITS:900:675:450:225:1900:2900] 39 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CLIMBING_GAITS:6561:6115:5683:1755:7456:8567] 5 kph, NO DATA
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:5341:4723:4112:1254:6433:7900] 7 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph, NO DATA
[SWIMS_LEARNED]
[MANNERISM_FINGERS:finger:fingers]
[MANNERISM_HEAD:head]
[MANNERISM_EYES:eyes]
[MANNERISM_MOUTH:mouth]
[MANNERISM_KNUCKLES:knuckles]
[MANNERISM_NAILS:nails]
[MANNERISM_FEET:feet]
[MANNERISM_ARMS:arms]
[MANNERISM_HANDS:hands]
[MANNERISM_LEG:leg]
[MANNERISM_WALK]
[MANNERISM_SIT]
[MANNERISM_POSTURE]
[MANNERISM_STRETCH]
[MUNDANE]
[CASTE:FEMALE]
[FEMALE]
[MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE]
[CASTE:MALE]
[MALE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:FACIAL_HAIR_TISSUE_LAYERS]