Topic: [MODDING] 0.40.x QUESTIONS THREAD (Read 333401 times)

WordsandChaos · « **Reply #840 on:** August 23, 2014, 06:20:37 am »

Quote from: Minnakht on August 23, 2014, 06:11:11 am

Why are you making clubs out of clubs?

Reagent is the thing that's consumed in the reaction to make the product. Maybe it'd work better if you made the reagent something like [REAGENT:A:1:WOOD:NONE:NONE:NONE] or something - you want to double-check if that's the right item and material token.

Right, that's what I thought made sense at first... But according to http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Material_token wood isn't usable?

My understanding from reading the wiki was:

Reagent
Number of reagent
The item class of the thing (item)
The specific thing you're trying to make (item subtype)
The material you want to make it out of (seemed to be classes of materials, not individual materials)

Or have I somehow managed to miss the point entirely?

Minnakht · « **Reply #841 on:** August 23, 2014, 06:29:22 am »

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you did manage that. Let me see again...

[REAGENT:A:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_CLUB:PLANT_MAT:NONE]
In order:

REAGENT
some identifier, doesn't have to be A, can be anything, even lowercase
Amount of reagent. Not necessarily equal to the number of items. A single item of metal bars, for example, consist of 150 units of material.
The item token - http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Item_token - of the reagent. It's type:subtype. Choose the type from what the wiki lists and choose a subtype if applicable. A wood log would be WOOD:NONE.
The material token - http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Material_token - of the reagent. It's... a bit more complicated - if you want to take materials from a creature or a plant, then you need to do PLANT_MAT:(creature ID, found at the top of its RAW):identifier of that specific material. Metal and stone are easier on account of just being INORGANIC:ID, and so on.

The final NONE:NONE either means that I don't care what the material is as long as the item token fits, or that I'm making a mistake myself.

HelloLion · « **Reply #842 on:** August 23, 2014, 06:37:33 am »

Well, I had a hankering to play Kobold Camp, and I spent the better part of last evening trying to make a version of the mod that works with DF2014. I got the thing working, but it includes many complex features that I don't want, and in my attempts to make the Kobolds primitive again I've broken them.

Mainly, I have broken the Kobold digging tool: the Shovel.

I have two entries for shovels in item_weapon_kobold.txt:

Standard:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Training:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Neither of these items seems to be created in any form. If I go to a carpenters workshop I'll see the other training weapons I've created, and if I go to the craftsbold's workshop I can see the other weapons I've given the [CAN_STONE] tag. The Entity_Default section for Kobolds includes both [DIGGER:ITEM_WEAPON_SHOVEL] and [DIGGER:ITEM_WEAPON_SHOVEL_TRAINING]. I'm stumped. Can't take these items on embark, can't create them, what's the deal?

Minnakht · « **Reply #843 on:** August 23, 2014, 06:55:53 am »

Also, while we're discussing reagents: Can someone tell me how would a quarry bush leaf be defined as a reagent? Preferably in the entire 'five of them in a bag' architecture.

scamtank · « **Reply #844 on:** August 23, 2014, 08:52:25 am »

Assuming that the quantities work exactly as you would expect and not according to some crazy moon logic:

Code: [Select]

[REAGENT:salad:5:PLANT_GROWTH:LEAVES:PLANT_MAT:BUSH_QUARRY:LEAF]										
[REAGENT:salad sack:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]						
	[BAG]
	[CONTAINS:salad]												
	[PRESERVE_REAGENT]
	[DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]

That one specifically looks for quarry bush leaves. If you wanted it to take just about any sort of sack of salad, make it PLANT_GROWTH:LEAVES:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:LEAF instead.

ArKFallen · « **Reply #845 on:** August 23, 2014, 09:11:13 am »

Quote from: HelloLion on August 23, 2014, 06:37:33 am

Well, I had a hankering to play Kobold Camp, and I spent the better part of last evening trying to make a version of the mod that works with DF2014. I got the thing working, but it includes many complex features that I don't want, and in my attempts to make the Kobolds primitive again I've broken them.

Mainly, I have broken the Kobold digging tool: the Shovel.

I have two entries for shovels in item_weapon_kobold.txt:

Standard:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SHOVEL]
[NAME:shovel:shovels]
[SIZE:500]
[SKILL:MINING]
[TWO_HANDED:0]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:5000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:2]
[ATTACK:EDGE:100:4000:strike:strikes:edge:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:1000:6000:whack:whacks:flat:1750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:1000:bash:bashes:shaft:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[CAN_STONE]

Training:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SHOVEL_TRAINING]
[NAME:training shovel:training shovels]
[SIZE:200]
[SKILL:MINING]
[TWO_HANDED:0]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:5000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:1000:6000:whack:whacks:flat:1750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[TRAINING]

Neither of these items seems to be created in any form. If I go to a carpenters workshop I'll see the other training weapons I've created, and if I go to the craftsbold's workshop I can see the other weapons I've given the [CAN_STONE] tag. The Entity_Default section for Kobolds includes both [DIGGER:ITEM_WEAPON_SHOVEL] and [DIGGER:ITEM_WEAPON_SHOVEL_TRAINING]. I'm stumped. Can't take these items on embark, can't create them, what's the deal?

Do the shovels appear in the arena? If neither one does you might have forgotten [OBJECT:ITEM] and a text string at the top of the file. If that is the case it might(?) appear in the error log but it is uncertain as the 40.X code has removed many error messages and some things never had them.
If neither is the case I'm sorry.

Redzephyr01 · « **Reply #846 on:** August 23, 2014, 09:25:26 am »

So I created a carp that can fly and breathe air.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I just want to make sure I didn't mess anything up.

ArKFallen · « **Reply #847 on:** August 23, 2014, 09:34:13 am »

Quote from: Redzephyr01 on August 23, 2014, 09:25:26 am

So I created a carp that can fly and breathe air.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
[CREATURE:AIRFISH_CARP_REDZEPHYR01]
   [DESCRIPTION:A carp that has magically gained the ability to breathe air and swim through air as if it were water.]
   [NAME:air carp:air carp:air carp]
   [CASTE_NAME:air carp:air carp:air carp]
   [CHILD:1][GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:air carp fry:air carp fry]
   [CREATURE_TILE:224][COLOR:3:0:0]
   [LARGE_ROAMING]
   [FLIER]
   [BENIGN][MEANDERER][NATURAL]
   [PETVALUE:50]
   [BIOME:GRASSLAND_TROPICAL]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:15:30]
   [CLUSTER_NUMBER:5:10]
   [PREFSTRING:protruding mouths]
   [BODY:BASIC_2PARTBODY:BASIC_HEAD:SIDE_FINS:DORSAL_FIN:TAIL:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:MOUTH:RIBCAGE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
      [REMOVE_MATERIAL:SKIN]
      [REMOVE_MATERIAL:LEATHER]
      [REMOVE_MATERIAL:HAIR]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SCALE:SCALE_TEMPLATE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
      [REMOVE_TISSUE:SKIN]
      [REMOVE_TISSUE:HAIR]
      [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:SCALE:SCALE_TEMPLATE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SCALE:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]
   [SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
    [PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SCALE:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
      [TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
   [TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [HAS_NERVES]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
   [BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
   [GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
   [GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
   [PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:4000]
   [BODY_SIZE:1:0:20000]
   [BODY_SIZE:5:0:40000]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [MAXAGE:20:30]
   [ATTACK:BITE:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
   [ATTACK:SLAP:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:TAIL]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:slap:slaps]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [NO_DRINK]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10067]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:900:657:438:219:1900:2900] 40 kph, NO DATA
   [SWIMS_INNATE]
   [CANNOT_JUMP]
   [MUNDANE]
   [CASTE:FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
   [CASTE:MALE]
      [MALE]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SCALE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BROWN:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:scales:PLURAL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
I just want to make sure I didn't mess anything up.

Warning: your flying carps can drown because they don't have the [AMPHIBIOUS] tag.
Warning: your carps do not have a FLY gait so (I think) they'll only fly at base speed (unable to slow down or speed up).

Redzephyr01 · « **Reply #848 on:** August 23, 2014, 09:41:25 am »

So, do I just copy the swim gait tag, only replace the "SWIMMING" with "FLYING", in order to get it to fly at the speed that a normal carp would swim?

ArKFallen · « **Reply #849 on:** August 23, 2014, 09:52:01 am »

Quote from: Redzephyr01 on August 23, 2014, 09:41:25 am

So, do I just copy the swim gait tag, only replace the "SWIMMING" with "FLYING", in order to get it to fly at the speed that a normal carp would swim?

Yes that would work. As the standard flying and swim gaits appear exactly the same (just with different movement types) in c_variation_default.

HelloLion · « **Reply #850 on:** August 23, 2014, 11:11:34 am »

Quote from: ArKFallen on August 23, 2014, 09:11:13 am

Quote from: HelloLion on August 23, 2014, 06:37:33 am
Well, I had a hankering to play Kobold Camp, and I spent the better part of last evening trying to make a version of the mod that works with DF2014. I got the thing working, but it includes many complex features that I don't want, and in my attempts to make the Kobolds primitive again I've broken them.

Mainly, I have broken the Kobold digging tool: the Shovel.

I have two entries for shovels in item_weapon_kobold.txt:

Standard:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SHOVEL]
[NAME:shovel:shovels]
[SIZE:500]
[SKILL:MINING]
[TWO_HANDED:0]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:5000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:2]
[ATTACK:EDGE:100:4000:strike:strikes:edge:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:1000:6000:whack:whacks:flat:1750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:1000:bash:bashes:shaft:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[CAN_STONE]

Training:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SHOVEL_TRAINING]
[NAME:training shovel:training shovels]
[SIZE:200]
[SKILL:MINING]
[TWO_HANDED:0]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:5000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:1000:6000:whack:whacks:flat:1750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[TRAINING]

Neither of these items seems to be created in any form. If I go to a carpenters workshop I'll see the other training weapons I've created, and if I go to the craftsbold's workshop I can see the other weapons I've given the [CAN_STONE] tag. The Entity_Default section for Kobolds includes both [DIGGER:ITEM_WEAPON_SHOVEL] and [DIGGER:ITEM_WEAPON_SHOVEL_TRAINING]. I'm stumped. Can't take these items on embark, can't create them, what's the deal?
Do the shovels appear in the arena? If neither one does you might have forgotten [OBJECT:ITEM] and a text string at the top of the file. If that is the case it might(?) appear in the error log but it is uncertain as the 40.X code has removed many error messages and some things never had them.
If neither is the case I'm sorry.

I definitely have [OBJECT:ITEM] at the top, I also have other items from that file that appear to be available. Additionally, the training shovels appear in the arena. I will, in fact, even get a warning on embarking sometimes that COPPER SHOVELS aren't available, but no mention of wooden or stone shovels.

EDIT: Fort he record, I'm getting nothing in my errorlog.txt except a bunch of stuff about armies that can't march or whatever.

WordsandChaos · « **Reply #851 on:** August 23, 2014, 12:18:22 pm »

I'm back! Sorry for the spam and thanks for all the help so far. I'll shut up soon.

Does anybody have any idea why this won't work:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

And is this even possible? (Yes. I'm trying to make a club out of corpse meat.)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I tried adding CORPSE and CORPSEPIECE to regents, but after looking at the raws for some of the reactions in Genesis it seems like this should work. Unfortunately neither show up in the crafting options.

StagnantSoul · « **Reply #852 on:** August 23, 2014, 12:40:47 pm »

Why won't my Draconian modded race prefer weapons? They're always wrestlers.

ArKFallen · « **Reply #853 on:** August 23, 2014, 12:48:33 pm »

Quote from: WordsandChaos on August 23, 2014, 12:18:22 pm

I'm back! Sorry for the spam and thanks for all the help so far. I'll shut up soon.

Does anybody have any idea why this won't work:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
[REACTION:CRAFT_BONE_CLUB]
[NAME:Craft bone club]
[BUILDING:CRAFTSMAN:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:3:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[USE_BODY_COMPONENT]
[ANY_BONE_MATERIAL]
[PRODUCT:100:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_CLUB:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:NONE]
[SKILL:BONECARVE]

And is this even possible? (Yes. I'm trying to make a club out of corpse meat.)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
[REACTION:CRAFT_CORPSE_CLUB]
[NAME:Craft corpse club]
[BUILDING:CRAFTSMAN:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:3:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[USE_BODY_COMPONENT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_CLUB:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:NONE]
[SKILL:BONECARVE]

I tried adding CORPSE and CORPSEPIECE to regents, but after looking at the raws for some of the reactions in Genesis it seems like this should work. Unfortunately neither show up in the crafting options.

If they aren't even appearing then you haven't permitted it in the entity or you aren't looking in the craftsdwarf shop (building where it should appear based on BUILDING) or your reaction file is missing the appropriate headers.

Whether it will run as intended I don't know (is corpse club supposed to make meat clubs? you've only specified that it use a corpse's material and it will use the most present IE usually muscle).

Quote from: StagnantSoul on August 23, 2014, 12:40:47 pm

Why won't my Draconian modded race prefer weapons? They're always wrestlers.

Assuming you mean fort mode migrants I can think of 3 reasons.

If they don't have weapons they'll default to wrestling in world gen
If they can't make weapons, as above (IE no smelting, access to ores/metals)
They have natural skill or increased learning of unarmed combat so their wrestling skill is higher than their weapon skill

If you meant in combat/training it is likely just the way that combat/training code works assuming you've assigned and they've actually equipped their weapons (they don't always do so)

[Note: I have not actually looked through your creature or entity, so guesstimations]

smakemupagus · « **Reply #854 on:** August 23, 2014, 12:51:02 pm »

Quote from: StagnantSoul on August 23, 2014, 12:40:47 pm

Why won't my Draconian modded race prefer weapons? They're always wrestlers.

what have i got in my pockets?

(... we're just guessing without the relevant raws)

besides ArKFallens answers, do they have the [EQUIPS] creature token?

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