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Author Topic: WH40K discussion thread: from Tyran's heart I stab at thee.  (Read 1043578 times)

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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4560 on: June 27, 2016, 01:17:12 pm »

It's generally not common knowledge that many citizens are rendered into food products. Most people in 40k outside the Mechanicus are ignorant of the fact and act with horror and disgust when they find out. It's used as a plot point in a few BL novels to drive home how inhuman Tech Priests and Chaos Marines are that neither consider consuming humans in any way taboo.

Some are vaguely aware that dead/broken servitors get rendered down into nutrients and fed to other servitors though.
And Space Marines eat brains, right?
Depends. Old lore (though it ocassionaly ends up mentioned nowadays) suggests that they can get someones memories from eating their brain, but they don't actually eat brain pies or anything... well, unless their chapter quirk is cannibalism, and there is quite a lot of chapters with that quirk.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4561 on: June 27, 2016, 01:27:00 pm »

Favorite mention of brain eating was in Siege of Castellax, a bunch of Iron Warriors Raptors need to eat an Ork brain to learn how to pilot one of their bombers to evac back to their own fortress and they basically all go 'Not it!' and dump the job on the one who was the last to opt out.  :D
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4562 on: June 27, 2016, 01:39:15 pm »

And that's why SM can't have sex. Because just imagine what they'd come up with if cannibalism is "a quirk".
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4563 on: June 27, 2016, 01:42:58 pm »

... I am actually going to agree with you. Space Marines are more than human in almost every way, which means their feelings and emotions are much stronger than regular human, which means that for them things like cannibalism can be "just a quirk".
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4564 on: June 27, 2016, 04:29:39 pm »

Space Marines have had the volume turned down on all their emotions except "Rage", "Hatred" and "Veneration."

The Horus Heresy books make it a point to state multiple times how they just don't feel shit like most people do except under very narrow circumstances. Like, they have a hard time even feeling sad when their bruvas die. They can be made at the dude that killed them, but actual remorse for their absence? Not so much.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4565 on: June 27, 2016, 04:46:30 pm »

Except, of course, for the glorious Ultramarines and their venerated successor chapters, all of whom are to a man renaissance polymaths, statesmen, and inspired artists whom give all that they can in their heroic defense of the human race. How badly all the other chapters, obsessed with war and nearly subhuman in comparison, wish they could be like the Ultramarines.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4566 on: June 27, 2016, 04:48:52 pm »

Except, of course, for the glorious Ultramarines and their venerated successor chapters, all of whom are to a man renaissance polymaths, statesmen, and inspired artists whom give all that they can in their heroic defense of the human race. How badly all the other chapters, obsessed with war and nearly subhuman in comparison, wish they could be like the Ultramarines.
Well, except maybe the Salamanders who automatically default to the "Bro" personality instead.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4567 on: June 27, 2016, 04:55:59 pm »

Except, of course, for the glorious Ultramarines and their venerated successor chapters, all of whom are to a man renaissance polymaths, statesmen, and inspired artists whom give all that they can in their heroic defense of the human race. How badly all the other chapters, obsessed with war and nearly subhuman in comparison, wish they could be like the Ultramarines.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4568 on: June 27, 2016, 06:00:12 pm »

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The Space Marines are /more/ than human. They have passions and hatred and feuds and live on a larger scale than mortal men. Where they walk the earth shakes. They are the god-touched. Like false deities from an old opera they boom and thunder. Every emotion is magnified. Every weakness spreads into catastrophe; every strength is almost overbearing. They can be poets and tacticians and great leaders of men, but they must fight if the Imperium is to survive at all. They are not human, but beyond humanity.

It is also made a point during Horus Heresy that they do feel a wide variety of emotions. Even the most basic books like Fulgrim (which is basically Horus Heresy in a nutshell) make it very clear that they do have emotions and a lot of deep thoughts. They still can even care about regular humans (which sometimes gets them in trouble, Space Wolves, Celestial Lions and so on), they can get sad when their brothers die (they might not, though, and it's completly human thing because humans can also not get sad when people who are close to them die - we are fucked up like that) and so on. They totally do have friendships, possibly they can even love. As per usual, it also depends a lot on Chapter and even Marine in question.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4570 on: June 27, 2016, 07:57:59 pm »

Space Marines have had the volume turned down on all their emotions except "Rage", "Hatred" and "Veneration."

The Horus Heresy books make it a point to state multiple times how they just don't feel shit like most people do except under very narrow circumstances. Like, they have a hard time even feeling sad when their bruvas die. They can be made at the dude that killed them, but actual remorse for their absence? Not so much.

I bet you fiction just ignores this fact whenever the main character is a Marine.

Just like StarCraft did with Sarah Kerrigan (Ghosts have emotional suppressants to control them)
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4571 on: June 27, 2016, 08:01:41 pm »

Just going to put my two cents in on this

Let's think for a moment, the imperial fosts are definately masochists. And we all know the black templars are quite dominate.
I could definately see an imperial fist neophite getting with a black templar marine.
I can see it now-fifty shades of crimson fist. :)
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4573 on: June 27, 2016, 08:16:56 pm »

The exact psychology of marines varies from book to book and is rarely consistent even with the same writer.

In general they have a similar mentality to a normal human, though it is usually devoid of certain concepts as a result of indoctrination. Some books portray them as more or less inhuman.

The most inhuman of all though are probably the Iron Hands, who actively hold humanity in contempt and rip out their emotion and replace it with machine logic. Contrast with the Salamanders who actively try to protect and inspire normal humans.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #4574 on: June 27, 2016, 09:44:25 pm »

Either way physiology aside you don't spend your entire teen years being brainwashed and indoctrinated without being slightly stunted in some areas.
The Wolves are known to still have a sense of humor, and feast and rib eachother happily, compared to grey knights, who would probably purge a jokester for heresy.
I reckon it's got to do with the childhood.
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