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[Cheesecake]

I'm reading Eisenhorn right now, by Dan Abnett, another of the Holy Trinity of the Black Library. You should check it out.

[Kot]

The Inqusition!
Let's BEGIN!

>implying you can ever get rid off Tyranids

Well, at the fluff freeze moment they might not be really in deep shit, but considering there is a Hive Fleet as big as damn Galaxy coming at them, they totally should stick to their own sector and prepare as hard as they can.

BABY CARRIER MARINES REPORTING IN

Actually, both the Grey Knights and Ultramarines were pretty cool and awesome back in the days but we can thank Our Spiritual Liege for the nowadays hate.

yadda yadda dadda don't understand that Imperial Fists are true Vanilla Marines

Actually, the whole Pain Glove thing... it's similar to real life cilice. And they aren't exactly another "Emo" chapter, the whole mortification thing is more what you would expect a monk to do. They're basically repenting for failing (as in, not murdering things hard enough to defend Him on Terra) the Emperor and, even better, they use the pain as some kind of focus. They train their bodies to feel pain which makes them more resilient or something... to the point that Chaplain Merek Grimaldus (the main character of novel Helsreach (by Aron Dembski-Bowden, the Holy Child of Holy Trinity of Black Library), the one who saved Celestial Lions) simply refuses to die and it works.

SPACE MONGOLIANS WRYYYYYYYYYYYY

White Scars have no history yet because they haven't succeeded in putting Dreadnoughts on bikes yet.

FLESH IS WEAK

Imperium needs a loyal counterpart of Iron Warriors. Also the source of Chapter Master Smashfucker (that's the actual name).

HOW CAN YOU BE DISSAPOINTED

Spoiler: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE? (click to show/hide)

whipping out the bolter

The Black Templars may have ties with Ecclesiarchy, but they sure aren't going to murder other Chapters (Just like Minotaurs and Inquisiton do) just because they tell them to. They're more like real life Templars/Teutonic Knights/Hospitalliers who didin't agree with Pope all the time and were generally on their own.  They sometimes pioritize the targets Imperial Cult POLITELY asks them to and enjoy discussions about teology.

BOLTER BITC- SISTERS

The Sisters are pretty hyper-elite (as in, training), they just are constrained by not being Space Marines.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

I feel like sisters of battle are closer in skill to inquisitors than space marines, and truth be told, i'd rather fight a space marine.

[Loud Whispers]

Black Templars being loyalist world eaters HNNGGG TOO STRONK

[Tack]

>implying you can ever get rid off Tyranids

>Implying that you cannot get rid of Tyranids.

It's been proven, both in DoW 2 and via Macragge, that killing hive fleets is definitely not impossible, if you have enough surgical kaboomy.
Which, far as I've been shown, causes an even bigger breakdown amongst the troops than the standard loss-of-synapse stuff. Once Tyranids don't have synapse, they don't replicate.
Making a feral tyranid population FAR easier to manage than an ork population.

-snip-

The Sisters are pretty hyper-elite (as in, training), they just are constrained by not being Space Marines.

I feel like sisters of battle are closer in skill to inquisitors than space marines, and truth be told, i'd rather fight a space marine.

My LGS chief-GW-apologist states that BS 3 is that endengered by a lifetime of training. Hence why guardsmen and fire warriors have it.
Space marines only have 4/5 because of their superhuman stillness and recoil control and whatever else.
Meaning that standard humans with a BS of 4 are special, and those with a BS of 5 are traditionally superhuman.

Making sisters seem way more hardcore.
But 'truth be told', Space marine would take out a sister and an inquisitor ingame 9/10 times.
That extra S/T/I really matters.
I mean, heck, I use Commisar Fucking Yarrick on the table, and his fuckoff power claw gives him S6. The best humans are still kinda sad, tablewise.

[Loud Whispers]

Unless of course you have genestealers or mutated gaunts or they go into hibernation

[Grim Portent]

Some 'nids like Hormagaunts also reproduce independently of the brood organisms, so they can become a problem for hundreds or thousands of years if you let them scatter into the wilds. They're only wild animals at that point though, so not a real threat to a city or decent sized town unless a new link to the Hive Mind wanders within synapse range of them.

[Kot]

>implying you can truly kill off something that's bigger than galaxy

While you're not wrong, you aren't right too. Sources state that they have been "destroyed", but I would argue that it was truly destroyed. It was described (and also seen on multiple maps) as being as big (or bigger) than the whole Galaxy (with Leviathan being even bigger), which means the Ultrasmurfs killed off only the "spearhead" splinter fleet. Even if they did kill the "main" Hive Mind, it seems that the whole force splintered (there is at least one splinter in Tau space that works without the Macragge Hivemind) so it proably means the Smurfs are fucked (since it's easy to surgical-strike one hive-mind, much harder to strike down thousands of them) anyway.
Also, AFAIK, the DoW2 Hivefleet was just a splinter fleet and it certainly didin't stop them to come back in Retribution.

Crunchy

Honestly saying, crunch (the stats of tabletop units) differs from fluff on regular basis.

[Xantalos]

From what I recall Behemoth smashed straight into Ultramar, might have roughed up a few other places first, but basically ran right into Maccrage and got completely annihilated there, at the cost of basically crippling the Ultramarines for at least several centuries afterwards. Sure the tyranids got killed, but they literally ran out of ammunition. Takes a lot to make a fortress world in goddamn 40k do that.

Hive Fleet Kraken, on the other hand, split up into a billion different splinter fleets that took goddamn forever to deal with, and then Leviathan came from below the galactic plane and could only be stopped by exterminatusing a shitload of planets to deny them other avenues to go and then luring them straight into a large Ork empire, which may or may not catastrophically backfire.

Then there's the speculation that those three were only the vanguard for the actual Tyranid fleet, which, well ... another hypothetical.

[Tack]

Which hive fleet hit Iyanden?
Have forgotten.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

>implying you can truly kill off something that's bigger than galaxy

While you're not wrong, you aren't right too. Sources state that they have been "destroyed", but I would argue that it was truly destroyed. It was described (and also seen on multiple maps) as being as big (or bigger) than the whole Galaxy (with Leviathan being even bigger), which means the Ultrasmurfs killed off only the "spearhead" splinter fleet. Even if they did kill the "main" Hive Mind, it seems that the whole force splintered (there is at least one splinter in Tau space that works without the Macragge Hivemind) so it proably means the Smurfs are fucked (since it's easy to surgical-strike one hive-mind, much harder to strike down thousands of them) anyway.
Also, AFAIK, the DoW2 Hivefleet was just a splinter fleet and it certainly didin't stop them to come back in Retribution.

Crunchy

Honestly saying, crunch (the stats of tabletop units) differs from fluff on regular basis.

1. The Stark Report is the only thing that really have to go off of right? Unless i've missed some new fluff?

2. Yes, I meant lore-wise rather than stat-wise. I mean in an open battle Space Marines over inquisitors/Sisters of Batttle any day... But you could theoretically escape a space marine, it's almost impossible to escape an inquisitor. Which led to the idea that sisters of battle are the faith militant's space marines, but still badass with flamethrowers and heresy-rooter-outers not to mention other less battle-oriented training.

[Rolepgeek]

Mmmmm...I might disagree. Space Marine Scout versus Sister of Battle, Sister of Battle wins most engagements, I'd argue. They don't have genehancement, but they do have righteousness, faith in the Emperor, and purity of cause. And when Living Saints are a thing, that means something. Sister of Battle versus Space Marine one on one, Space Marine most of the time, sure. But still. Sisters of Battle tend to be more numerous than Space Marines, if I understand right. Don't need all that 'one in a thousand' or whatever chances of being able to actually take the gene-seed, after all.

I very much like the Sisters, and am sad that their lore has been so brutally mauled recently, it seems. Half the reason I like the idea of a Chapter that works alongside them all the time.

[Xantalos]

Which hive fleet hit Iyanden?
Have forgotten.

Eeeeeeeeerr, Kraken I think? I know Maugun Ra killed literally all of them on his own though.
I think it was a splinter fleet.

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

Which hive fleet hit Iyanden?
Have forgotten.

Eeeeeeeeerr, Kraken I think? I know Maugun Ra killed literally all of them on his own though.
I think it was a splinter fleet.

Hold on a sec, are there non-splinter fleets? Are those basically giant comglomerations of Tyranids that have already eaten the previous galaxy?

[Xantalos]

What I mean by a splinter fleet is a tiny segment of one hive fleet. This is what Hive Fleet Kraken did, split up into a million little shards of kek that went around eating planets faster than the Imperium could stop them and growing strong off the eatings they got from that.

This particular battle was only so distinctive because all the nids got killed by one guy.