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19 (46.3%)

No

9 (22%)

It should be more than that

6 (14.6%)

It should be less than that

7 (17.1%)

Total Members Voted: 41

[DreamerGhost]

Forgotten blaze and accelerator already?

((It was a fist to chest, but it still counts.))

Arrgh. I don't want to seem to be too much FOR essence keeping, as rule changes are ultimately decided by you guys, and I'd rather not influence that, but both ending up with no essences and having somone with enough essences to snipe people across the map is kinda your own fault. You could had not spent so many before, and you could had killed them before they became global snipers.

[endlessblaze]

I honestly think the rules are fine as they are. If the guys are so afraid of Magic snipeing make an essence nullifer or something. And it's not like it will stop pepole from makeing "rings of +x stat"

[Elephant Parade]

See, the problem with the ritual system is that it encourages killing people from across the map, instead of in glorious combat.

It doesn't encourage it, per se; it actually makes it more difficult, since the target might have moved away by the time you've finished your spell. It just makes close-up combat more dangerous for established players.

I honestly think the rules are fine as they are. If the guys are so afraid of Magic snipeing make an essence nullifer or something. And it's not like it will stop pepole from makeing "rings of +x stat"

I—what? An "essence nullifier"? Is that a thing that can be made? While it won't stop people from making +stat rings, those aren't nearly as bad as essences, and can already be made anyway.

Forgotten blaze and accelerator already?

((It was a fist to chest, but it still counts.))

Arrgh. I don't want to seem to be too much FOR essence keeping, as rule changes are ultimately decided by you guys, and I'd rather not influence that, but both ending up with no essences and having somone with enough essences to snipe people across the map is kinda your own fault. You could had not spent so many before, and you could had killed them before they became global snipers.

Problem is, you can't always tell whether someone's going to be a global sniper. They might just be stockpiling essences to build something cool, enchant an item, or whatever. Killing people whenever they go over X essences would require obsessive charsheet-watching, and also be kinda meta and unpleasant.

As for not spending so many before: that's not always possible. Maybe somebody with a bunch of essences picked a fight. Maybe two somebodies picked fights in a row! Also, since you can carry as many essences as you like, it isn't really strategic; maybe if there was a hard  carry cap of 5 essences or so.

[endlessblaze]

Presumably.  We won't know until we try to make one. Think outside the box people. We are mages!

[ATHATH]

Well, the thing is, I like direct mage-to-mage fights, and the ritual system discourages that.

Who's to say that the ritual can't track someone? If you had a hair or a nail or something, you could probably make it target wherever the target is.

[thegamemaster1234]

Well, the thing is, I like direct mage-to-mage fights, and the ritual system discourages that.

Who's to say that the ritual can't track someone? If you had a hair or a nail or something, you could probably make it target wherever the target is.

And unless you're very stealthy (or lucky) getting a taglock will instead result in a fight with whoever you were trying to target. Running away would only encourage tracking and bounty hunting.

Though it would be quite hilarious if your supposed "mage X hair" was actually that of a field mouse or other random animal.

[ATHATH]

Well, the thing is, I like direct mage-to-mage fights, and the ritual system discourages that.

Who's to say that the ritual can't track someone? If you had a hair or a nail or something, you could probably make it target wherever the target is.

And unless you're very stealthy (or lucky) getting a taglock will instead result in a fight with whoever you were trying to target. Running away would only encourage tracking and bounty hunting.

Though it would be quite hilarious if your supposed "mage X hair" was actually that of a field mouse or other random animal.

It's not that hard. Marcus left with one of Jase's hairs when he left the castle (I think it was the first time, but I'm not sure). I was going to make Jase constantly look like a clown, no matter what he did, but Dwen made his power-grab and distracted me.

[thegamemaster1234]

Well, the thing is, I like direct mage-to-mage fights, and the ritual system discourages that.

Who's to say that the ritual can't track someone? If you had a hair or a nail or something, you could probably make it target wherever the target is.

And unless you're very stealthy (or lucky) getting a taglock will instead result in a fight with whoever you were trying to target. Running away would only encourage tracking and bounty hunting.

Though it would be quite hilarious if your supposed "mage X hair" was actually that of a field mouse or other random animal.

It's not that hard. Marcus left with one of Jase's hairs when he left the castle (I think it was the first time, but I'm not sure). I was going to make Jase constantly look like a clown, no matter what he did, but Dwen made his power-grab and distracted me.

Hahaha, that would've been hilarious. Regardless, if someone is caught in the act (pulled too hard on that rather attached hair, perhaps?)... *one of those cartoon dust cloud fights*

Obviously, part of this would be whether the characters would recognize what in the world this guy is doing hanging behind people's backs all the time.

[DreamerGhost]

SPD/DEX penalties are winning, I will leave the pool until next turn, although I doubt results will change.

However, is someone thinks up a formula for me to use when calculating how much CMP/POT ritual gets over time, and convinces the rest that the formula is not OP/too weak/nonsensical, I will add rituals.

[NAV]

Technically they are tied since a couple people changed their votes and posted about it in thread.

[thegamemaster1234]

SPD/DEX penalties are winning, I will leave the pool until next turn, although I doubt results will change.

However, is someone thinks up a formula for me to use when calculating how much CMP/POT ritual gets over time, and convinces the rest that the formula is not OP/too weak/nonsensical, I will add rituals.

So rituals as a secondary feature? Neat!
Here's something random I thought up (slapped-together concept incoming, use what you like from it):

Spoiler: Ritual mechanics idea (click to show/hide)

Clarification: Rituals are stationary and cannot be paused. Their purpose may be changed, but at the cost of 30% (or something) power and stability. Unstable rituals roll CMP to see whether you can handle the ritual's power - if you fail, the ritual will destabiize further and trigger a destabilization LUCK roll.

Modifiers can be added during the ritual with no required rolls, though they will immediately subtract their cost.

On ritual creation, you declare its purpose. An initial CMP/POT roll gives the ritual's starting status: higher POT is more power, and higher CMP is higher stability. More on stability later. If the ritual's starting POT roll is 0 or less, the ritual fails (no power. Disappointing fizzle.). If CMP is 0 or less, the ritual will destabilize (again, more on that later).

Each ritual has two stats: Power and Stability. Power represents the POT bonus, while Stability represents the CMP bonus.

Every turn, one item and/or any amount of essences may be added to the ritual. Items provide power over time, while essences directly convey their CMP/POT bonuses to the spell. Watch out - chaotic essences roll LUCK and might do something strange. Half of all item's power bonus combined is added to the ritual's power each turn.

For each item, its power/stability bonus is obtained from how well the item relates to the ritual. An unrelated item may not be accepted at all, while a power item may give a large bonus.

If an item is not added, for each turn the ritual is left like this it will lose stability. Rituals that are unstable roll LUCK, and the higher the ratio between stability and power, the more -LUCK you get. Often, a side effect of instability is power loss, which is similar to a collapsing essence. A stable ritual is anything with stability >= power, so the longer your ritual goes, the more difficult it may get to control.

Any items given to the ritual stay on the ground, but are dangerous to tamper with, as they are currently carrying great amounts of power. After the ritual is complete, the stress put on the items causes them to crumble to dust. You cannot have a ritual without at least one item.

It may be possible to cast spells or perform certain actions like dancing or chanting or something to prevent stability loss from lack of recently added item, though the effects of this lessen the longer it is done.

When you feel your ritual is complete, it may be cast as if it were a regular spell with the CMP/POT bonuses of the ritual added to it.

Oh, er, before you read this... It's very big and overcomplicated, probably. I don't expect this to be used; the amount of rules here could merit an entire system.

[endlessblaze]

I like it. But I think simple rituals should be preformable without an item

[AoshimaMichio]

That is lots of rules. Dunno if I like too complicated magics. And more rules you add, more things DG has to keep track of. But I agree with few points: Rituals are stationary and cannot be paused. Failure to follow this rule should result uncontrolled magical discharge.

Ritual stability is a thing. Possible to lose but also possible to regain. Lose stability completely and gain explosion of wild magic.

And I don't like mixing essences with rituals.

Hmm, every turn ritual is going on POT roll is added to ritual power. When ritual ends, final tally is multiplied by some number related to ritual duration. Larger multiplier for longer rituals. Each additional caster increases the multiplier, but with diminishing returns. This way more caster means more power faster, but at some point it doesn't make much difference if you have 10 or 50 casters.
I'm playing with the math to see what would work best.

Edit: Numbers grow way too fast. If multiplier is seriously dropped low, then single turn joint casting such as creation of council tower should probably be banned (because that was quite owerpowered even back then).

E2: Maybe power added to ritual each turn diminish as number of casters grows? A*X. A=Total POT added to ritual power on one turn. X = number of casters multiplier. X starts from 1 and gradually gets lower as more casters join.
Hrm... I dunno where this is going...

[star2wars3]

((I have an idea for a system of ritual.

Since Rituals Are Meant To Take more Time And Preparation, The Shortest Basic Ritual Takes 2 Turns.

In The First Turn, A "Head" Mage states what the spell casted will be in the ritual (This can be public or private).

Once this is done, All Mages Participating in the ritual may choose to sacrifice items, shards, essences, etc. to help power up/ improve the chances of success for the ritual. (This works the same way as when casting quick spells).

Next, a roll is done for Potency and Luck using a D6<0 - 5> (Where the scores of all participating mages are combined)
If Potency on this first turn is 0 or less, the spell fizzles out and dies.

If Potency is greater than 0 but Luck is less than or equal to 0, the ritual collapses and a random magical will effect anyone near the casting site, with power and area effected being dependent on total potency so far.

On the next turn, the "Head" mage decides whether or not to continue the ritual. If he/she decides to halt the ritual, the spell fizzles out and all essences/magic shards/ items used on the ritual are destroyed and the power is lost.

If the "Head" Mage continues the spell, he may decide to declare that this is the final turn for casting the spell.

In every case where the spell continues, the D6 dice from earlier are rolled. If the total amount of Luck and Potency contributed on a given turn (Dice scores + Stuff Sacrificed) is 0 or less, the spell will collapse (Before deciding on collapse spell effect add on any bonuses that would have been counted to the total stats of the spell.)

Assuming that the spell doesn't collapse, add the total amount of bonuses gained on that turn to the spell's total stats.

(The head mage will have speed reduced to 0 while casting for the purpose of interfering mages, but all other participating mages can join or leave the ritual as they please. (although if this is their first time joining a spell, they must get permission from the "Head" mage.)))

((EDIT: I just read the posts above mine and saw that a similar system was proposed))

[NAV]

I just want a system based on creativity rather than pure number management. And I want a simple elegant system rather than an increasing amount of rules patched onto a broken system.

This. I'd move my vote (number restriction) to the ritual system if possible. Althogh essences seem vital, it is possible to discard them...

I have thought it over some more and I hereby change my vote to ritual magic

If you accept these two vote changes, then essences being replaced with ritual magic is winning the poll right now.

For the rituals I think that the simpler the system the better it is, for the most part.