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Yes

19 (46.3%)

No

9 (22%)

It should be more than that

6 (14.6%)

It should be less than that

7 (17.1%)

Total Members Voted: 41

[H4zardZ1]

But what if you don't have enough essences for even a +2/+2 spell?

((Well then, you should probably try breaking your opponent's nose and stuffing a gag into their mouth. The existence of spells doesn't prevent your from making full use of your fists.))

((Try combining that with force-type spells, and now you could kill someone with only +2/+2 or less(well, actually because it has more roll, so it becomes pot+str/cmp+dex roll instead)))

((That doesn't change the fact that—if you flub *one* roll, and it's a roll you likely have penalties on—your opponent has a 100% chance to kill you. One-turn kills should require creativity and preparati
on, and no, essences don't count as preparation.))

((Remember 'or less'? You could essentially insta-incapicate someone without using any essences at all.))

((I'm aware. My point was that if you fail to interrupt them—which is extremely likely, if you just joined haven't pumped up STR—the other person can definitely kill you.))

Out of curiosity: DG, could you run the numbers on incapacitating/interrupting someone with an unarmed blow? Or, if that takes too much time, I'd like to know the minimum rolls required to interrupt someone with a punch.))

((The thing is, the force caused by the spell could be used to amplify the force of the punch(STR roll is supported by POT roll). Fail on CMP, and you lose your arm(and life).))

[Elephant Parade]

5/36

((Thanks. That probably gets a bit better with a huge DEX penalty, but it's still probably not good odds.))

((The thing is, the force caused by the spell could be used to amplify the force of the punch(STR roll is supported by POT roll). Fail on CMP, and you lose your arm(and life).))

((Not everyone has affinities that can support them in unarmed combat, and that just adds two more rolls they can fail. Trying to boost a punch would only make things worse, unless you used essences.))

[DreamerGhost]

((There is an argument to be made, that being mages, you are better at magic than you are at fist-fighting.))

[NAV]

Remember Whaz the Gloomy? Or Azenfar the Quick Death? Now those were two mages who could really hold their own in a fist fight.

[DreamerGhost]

Remember Whaz the Gloomy? Or Azenfar the Quick Death? Now those were two mages who could really hold their own in a fist fight.

((If they hadn't come here, they would had had decent chances at becoming the Archchancellor of Unseen University.))

[thegamemaster1234]

((I've thought things over, and I feel like fighting should be more about quick actions and spellcasting, rather than "kabam I kill you" spells all over.

Combat penalties would help, but if the opponent is unable to stop your amazing buffed spell, he's doomed. Imagine getting laser blasted from across a hex or two, and a homing modifier. No chance. Laser. FAL (fast as light). Even worse, the mage who did that to you simply blasted it out of nowhere with a 100% success rate cause he dumped a lot of essences in, as if there was no nerf at all.

Essence caps could fix that last part, though it would prevent anyone from attempting any particularly powerful spells on their own; alliances would become much more important, and then we get locked in a Cold War-type scenario. Doesn't sound like much fun.

Finally, there's the ritual magic thing. I imagine the old essences could be ejected into the world as usable trinkets for the rituals (so they don't just poof into nothing). Any cross-the-map instakill spells would require both time and resources, giving any potential targets time to prepare and increase chances of survival - or to attempt to mess up the ritual. In fights, the mages would be left with smaller spells and their items, leading to more strategy- and luck-driven battles.

My final vote is for rituals.

(And by the way, has anyone heard of Avatar: The Last Airbender TV series? You basically HAD to be good at fighting to do any good fire/earthbending.)))

[Whisperling]

Remember Whaz the Gloomy? Or Azenfar the Quick Death? Now those were two mages who could really hold their own in a fist fight.

((If they hadn't come here, they would had had decent chances at becoming the Archchancellor of Unseen University.))

((Because they were actually fit?

...It sounds like mages outside the island are even more incompetent than we are.))

[DreamerGhost]

Remember Whaz the Gloomy? Or Azenfar the Quick Death? Now those were two mages who could really hold their own in a fist fight.

((If they hadn't come here, they would had had decent chances at becoming the Archchancellor of Unseen University.))

((Because they were actually fit?

...It sounds like mages outside the island are even more incompetent than we are.))

Consider this: The castle was a colaborative effort, and it took 130 POT. So for a solo mage, that would be 200 POT, or so. While length of a turn in a value entirely related to the plot, it is usually below one minute. Jase could build a fortress against both physical and magical, with dangerous traps inside and magical cannons outside in less than four hours.

[Whisperling]

Consider this: The castle was a colaborative effort, and it took 130 POT. So for a solo mage, that would be 200 POT, or so. While length of a turn in a value entirely related to the plot, it is usually below one minute. Jase could build a fortress against both physical and magical, with dangerous traps inside and magical cannons outside in less than four hours.

((So, we're not lousy mages after all? Neat.

Actually... given 24 hours, we could probably conquer the multiverse. Anyone else want to give that a shot?))

[endlessblaze]

((lets start smaller, lets conquer that forest first. we can enslave the ents))

[Sarrak]

((lets start smaller, lets conquer that forest first. we can enslave the ents))

((Ha-ha-ha. Very funny. I'll look for your dead body in the bushes later.))

[star2wars3]

((lets start smaller, lets conquer that forest first. we can enslave the ents))

((Ha-ha-ha. Very funny. I'll look for your dead body in the bushes later.))

((Little did anyone know but in the reality, the ents are more powerful than any of us mere mages. Because they maintain the natural balance on the duck or something like that))

[NAV]

((Poketwo got banned, which is unfortunate because he just woke up for his fight against Kahel and I wanted to see how that went.))

[AoshimaMichio]

((lets start smaller, lets conquer that forest first. we can enslave the ents))

((Another name onto the list. I should write those names down somewhere before I forget them...))

((Poketwo got banned, which is unfortunate because he just woke up for his fight against Kahel and I wanted to see how that went.))

Really? What he did to earn that?

[NAV]

I don't know, wasn't there when it happened. Just saw a post saying he was banned.