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[salsaheaven]

Not sure how active the Orcs still are, but I am facing a major bug.

I cannot build a Freelancers Guild (where you can get out to raid). Whenever I try one i can select anything I need to build it (I think some coffers), but whenever I quit the building just disappears.

Any idea?

[Hefateus]

It and a few other orc buildings are only permitted outside I think. 

[Meph]

Meph casts thread-necromancy.

Give me your orc suggestions!

Suggestions from my end:
- Ogres as friendly units.
- Creature-spawning workshop, like an Orc Beastmaster. Uses dfhack "create-unit" to make wargs, tames trolls, etc.
- Beast-Armory workshop, using dfhacks "modtools/equip-item" to put actual armor on pets.
- Spiritwalking workshop, like a Dreamwalkers Lodge, using dfhacks "strangemood" to induce strange moods on the worker, and control them slightly. Like setting their preferences for item-type and materials.
- Allow labor cells / prisoners to teach skill that fit them, for example dwarven prisoners teach mining/metalworking skills, etc.

[Insanegame27]

Meph casts thread-necromancy.

Give me your orc suggestions!

Suggestions from my end:
- Ogres as friendly units.
- Creature-spawning workshop, like an Orc Beastmaster. Uses dfhack "create-unit" to make wargs, tames trolls, etc.
- Beast-Armory workshop, using dfhacks "modtools/equip-item" to put actual armor on pets.
- Spiritwalking workshop, like a Dreamwalkers Lodge, using dfhacks "strangemood" to induce strange moods on the worker, and control them slightly. Like setting their preferences for item-type and materials.
- Allow labor cells / prisoners to teach skill that fit them, for example dwarven prisoners teach mining/metalworking skills, etc.

With the new taverns/etc implementations, I would love to see Orcs 'corrupt' things into doing their dirty work, or something along those lines.
The big draw for orcs for me has always been their unique and deep culture.
Oh and the drydocks. Always bugged me that you could use them in say, a desert. If possible I would love to see that drydocks are only possible with a water source such as a river or ocean and introduce a building which serves the same purpose, 'Raiding house' or whatnot.

[Boltgun]

Waaagh! mechanics, the more orcs fighting together, the more rage, strength and discipline they get. Even civilians are a dangerous force if you send enough of them.

And of course set their values and personalities to get the 'cause trouble' and 'fight' needs high, so they get good moods from combat.

[Rumrusher]

Meph casts thread-necromancy.

Give me your orc suggestions!

Suggestions from my end:
- Ogres as friendly units.
- Creature-spawning workshop, like an Orc Beastmaster. Uses dfhack "create-unit" to make wargs, tames trolls, etc.
- Beast-Armory workshop, using dfhacks "modtools/equip-item" to put actual armor on pets.
- Spiritwalking workshop, like a Dreamwalkers Lodge, using dfhacks "strangemood" to induce strange moods on the worker, and control them slightly. Like setting their preferences for item-type and materials.
- Allow labor cells / prisoners to teach skill that fit them, for example dwarven prisoners teach mining/metalworking skills, etc.

With the new taverns/etc implementations, I would love to see Orcs 'corrupt' things into doing their dirty work, or something along those lines.
The big draw for orcs for me has always been their unique and deep culture.
Oh and the drydocks. Always bugged me that you could use them in say, a desert. If possible I would love to see that drydocks are only possible with a water source such as a river or ocean and introduce a building which serves the same purpose, 'Raiding house' or whatnot.

isn't the drydocks called that because orks use an Airship than a normal water stuff? you float across the land in Blimps looking for folks to raid.
god imagine a ork invasion where they just airdrop troops down onto your fort.

[LMeire]

... isn't the drydocks called that because orks use an Airship than a normal water stuff? ...

A dry-dock is a special part of the harbor where ships are physically removed from the water so repairs and general maintenance can be done on the hull. A dock for airships is called a "mooring mast".

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Immobile "Battle Standard" pets made out of totems that boost morale to orcs in sight of it. Small, cumulative effects would be pretty neat, so a tribe noticeably grows in strength with every slain enemy.

An orc-only "reinvigoration" syndrome from contact with elf-blood, vengeance has been had and honor restored!

IIRC, orcs are supposed to be mostly above-ground, so maybe make them more irritable and tantrum prone when they're cooped up away from the sunlight? I don't really see them picking the "flight" option very often when fear of the dark gets them antsy.

[smakemupagus]

Although our orcs don't exactly follow any particular literary tradition, and are flexible gameplay wise by design, Tolkien is still one of the main references.  In Middle earth, orcs were bred at the very roots of the world in the eerie dark pits of Utumno and mostly lived in deep places (Angband, Moria, Gundabad, Misty Mountains, etc.).  Just as comfortable below ground as dwarves, fine miners when needed although they'd quite rather pillage and occupy a dwarf site when possible.  Some of the tribes were in fact pretty cave adapted and feared or hated sunlight.  In Orc Fortress "lore", to the extent that is a thing, this type of tradition is reflected in the Mountain Clans backstory & embark loadout. 

Edit.
Although, surface dwelling "Steppe Clan" forts seem to be a forum favorite.  Which is great, working as intended that multiple styles are possible.  In the new version I am proposing that ironbone (or bonemold, as I'd rather call it) be a little weaker that it was in Old Masterwork so that surface orcs still have incentive to kill & loot invaders or strip mine for iron.  What do you all think?  Balance wise I think the upgraded organic metal Bloodsteel can still be pretty strong and we can tune for balance how hard it is to craft.

[Meph]

Bonemold: Technically speaking its bone ground up, mixed with ash, hardened at a furnace. Stiff, but brittle. Not sharp by any means.

My suggestion: Leave it at irongrade, make it lighter than iron, remove ITEM_WEAPONS and ITEM_AMMO from it. Make it a armor-only material. Thats both more realistic and forces you to get "real" metals for weapons.

[smakemupagus]

Bonemold: Technically speaking its bone ground up, mixed with ash, hardened at a furnace. Stiff, but brittle. Not sharp by any means.

My suggestion: Leave it at irongrade, make it lighter than iron, remove ITEM_WEAPONS and ITEM_AMMO from it. Make it a armor-only material. Thats both more realistic and forces you to get "real" metals for weapons.

Not a bad idea.  We have to make sure people can gear up in time for the early year 2 invations (which is the fun of orc mode of course).  Still can go for rock or bone clubs & tomahawks, maybe spears, and obsidian or gem macuhuitls, which should be enough to waylay some dwarves and take their stuff.  I'd say lets try it that way and see what people think. 

[Meph]

the early year 2 invations

not a thing anymore. As I mentioned in a PM some time, armies now move across the map. Siege-timings are very, very different now.

[smakemupagus]

the early year 2 invations

not a thing anymore. As I mentioned in a PM some time, armies now move across the map. Siege-timings are very, very different now.

Awww.  Right, i sort of knew that.  All the more reason we won't need iron grade axes immediately.  Well, Hopefully the new system is great too.

This total ignorance on my part illustrates to everyone how much we'll need your help with gameflow and balance testing this time around

[smakemupagus]

So, sites can be left and revisited without abadnoning, right?  Does this mean we could have succession world where a Dwarf and Orc fort are founded like, 10 miles apart and can alternate turns in a community game format?  Would that increase the odds or strength of invasions at the neighbor site   

[Meph]

So, sites can be left and revisited without abadnoning, right?  Does this mean we could have succession world where a Dwarf and Orc fort are founded like, 10 miles apart and can alternate turns in a community game format?  Would that increase the odds or strength of invasions at the neighbor site 

Yes, that should be possible. 

[coolphoton]

As a thought, how about the ability to make obsidian like the dwarves with one of the MW workshops(but less efficiently, or maybe magma locked with a blueprint), and(this may not be possible) a Honer<--->Waaghh mechanic that makes the individual OR the group stronger (respectively) but not both