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[Rutee]

This might be more of a MDF issue in general than it is an Orc issue.

I have to deal it in Kobold Mode, where multiple sorts of launchers/ammo were avaible right from the getgo. I just forbid all the ranged weapons/ammo save for the sort I want my hunters using, and that works nine times out of 10... of course, that fix could be a pain in the arse if one intends to use ranged units in their military.

I think it's a DF issue, given that I saw a bug with that report on it somewhere in the military screens about mismatching ammunition if left to 'individual choice, ranged'.  And yeahk,t hat's the thing.  I have flechette guns to train gunners cheaply, actual guns for use against live targets, and bows because they're easier to field in numbers.  I nominally CAN mass forbid, but it's a huge pain, so I've just had to hunt manually for my bones.

[Weirdsound]

Caught a minor oops. The Hotkeys to Raid Merchant (S)hipping and Raid (S)uccubus Firelodge are the same.

[Gamerlord]

Hey smake, there is a problem - orcs can't make coke from lignite. Also, I dunno if this has been fixed in the current version, but at some point orcs couldn't get plate gauntlets in any way, even though they could get all the other pieces.

[smakemupagus]

Thanks for the reports! I will check them when I get a chance.

You sure about the lignite?  They have
entity_slaver_orc.txt(1747): [PERMITTED_REACTION:LIGNITE_TO_COKE]

which should correspond to
[NAME:Make coke(5) from lignite] at the SMELTER. 

(ninja edit...)
AFAIK you're probably right about the gauntlets, our plate stuff reactions are from the time before the DFHack glove-handedness fix, I wouldn't be surprised if i keep forgetting to add 'em since

[Gamerlord]

I dunno, at last check I just couldn't make it. Gimme a minute and I'll check again.

[Gamerlord]

Okay, that's weird, now it's working.

[smakemupagus]

OK great, glad it's working

[Gamerlord]

Throwing out a few ideas that came to me, take or leave as you will.

Spoiler: Metals (click to show/hide)

Take away the ability of orcs to make steel on their own and move it to a raided building - probably 'Dwarven Crucible' or something, maybe make it require a captive dwarf to build - because as it is it's simple to have at least one mithril daikatana in the hands of an Uruk clad in lamellar leather by the end of year one and by then you've pretty much won.

In the molten pit add a reaction that takes any ten (possibly mixed) unprocessed 'lesser' ores (zinc, tin, copper, etc) and has a chance of producing a random amount of different 'lesser' metals.

Possibly remove the Ore Processor? It just doesn't seem like something that orcs would use.

In the damascene forge add some 'lower' level stuff for katanas - maybe cobalt + iron?

An orcish alloy that is around iron in terms of usefulness that is made by mixing things like zinc, copper, nickel, tin, bronze, etc.

Make most orcish metalworking come from ores instead of bars.

Spoiler: Goblins & Kobolds (click to show/hide)

Yeah, I have no ideas on what you could raid from the goblins, but there has to be something. As for the kobolds, anything from toad shots (along with a workshop to use it) to the sweat or shisha lodge. Or maybe something to do with enslaving ogre warriors, who knows?

Also ideally taking kobold migrants would have a chance to spawn pissed off ogres searching for their little buddies.

Spoiler: Orcish Animals (click to show/hide)

Squigs. Make them non egg laying. Please? Also, make it so that you can tell what caste they are when they're young.

Stop mumaks from being able to pull wagons. As it is you are almost guaranteed to have at least one of the two free animals you get at embark be a mumak, possibly a breeding pair which pretty much means you'll never run out of meat.

Make a domestic flying pet that doesn't hunt vermin.

Spoiler: Magic Masks (click to show/hide)

There's already magic weapons, ammo and shields - maybe add some masks? I know there are three in the Warrior Meadhall, but I have a couple more ideas. These would probably take both soul gems and standards of honour to make, possibly with a mojo added as well.
Sorcerer: peaceful to undead?
Druid: regeneration? immune to webs?
Oracle: increased luck?
Frostskald: immunity to frostbite? 

Spoiler: Orcish Armour (click to show/hide)

A lower tech building that makes shitty stuff like makeshift mail and breastplates for cheap would be nice. As it is you have to refit it or build the factory, which is a bit too high tech for what I have in mind. Ideally the building would be made around the same time as the tribal wargear. Maybe call it 'Horde Wargear'?

What's with runerobes? Do those actually do anything?

A clothing workshop that makes basic clothes out of leather/wool/fur.

Spoiler: Orcish Weapons (click to show/hide)

It would be nice if there were two sets of domestic warrior society weapons - the ones with ranged and the ones without. As it is the only domestic pure melee one is the jaguar. Maybe make one for mauls or bladed chains? As for ranged perhaps use tomahawks?

I'd like to be able to make stuff like pikes at the human workshop - since that is about stealing human ideas, right?

Spoiler: Guns (click to show/hide)

Make blackpowder something that is required. As it is now it is actually easier for orcs to make guns (not buy them, make them) than it is for dwarves. With orcs, you just have to get a goblin migrant, make the tinkerer and you're done. With dwarves you have to research the chemist, then research the gunsmith and then make guns - which ALL require steel mechanisms by the way.

Also, blunderbusses.

Spoiler: More Gnome/Elf/Drow/Warlock/Succubi Style Workshops (click to show/hide)

Okay, let's do this.

Gnome workshop would basically be the prospector, but it would take longer to set up and maybe be less reliable - sometimes give faulty results.

Elves are a bit tricky since all they have is archery and trees, which are given by the orcish fletcher and treesinger's pagoda so maybe something to do with spirits?

Drow would do something with either cave animals or poison.

Warlocks actually need a raiding target - as it is you can't target them, the loot is only given if you raid the dark tower. Possibly big curses that require multiple soul gems to do, but have nasty effects - possibly on your own orcs.

The Succubi workshop would give happy thoughts to the user but cost gold/silver/copper.

Spoiler: Misc (click to show/hide)

More uses for ash. As it is I just turn the massive amounts of ash I get into ironbone.

[Meph]

Just a few notes on that: The murmak does indeed give a ton of meat, but I dont understand why there shouldnt be egg-layers. A few more war-like beasts would be interesting from my point of view.

If orcs could make more use of artisan and animal materials (leathers, chitin, scale, shell, glasses, powdered minerals/ores mixed with other things, like the ironbone/bloodsteel) to make their single hand-crafted weapons, I'd fully support that. The best metals should be dwarf-exclusive, I'm not even sure if my humans will get steel this time. Elves would get woods, not mithril.

I think the metals in MDF were overpowered, with everyone running around in mithril or better, which makes iron and to some degree even steel-clad sieges very easy. This time I'd rather have more cheap, easier low-tech materials and alternatives for iron/steel, but not so much that's better. Dwarves get mithril (lighter, steelgrade) and volcanic (heavier, 50% better than steel), and that is pretty much it. Only exception is the orichalcum, each race has the chance for it, 1 bar per 100 bars of other metals smelted.

Drow will be removed. Warlocks will be renamed to Necromancers. New races will be Titans, Werebeasts, Nightcreatures and Vampires. The other new MDF races I'll replace with those. So Frost Giants, Automatons, Werewolves, Banshees, Centauren... they will go. I should really finish those, so that the other modders can see their files and use whatever they like.

Magic masks already exist.

[Gamerlord]

Just a few notes on that: The murmak does indeed give a ton of meat, but I dont understand why there shouldnt be egg-layers. A few more war-like beasts would be interesting from my point of view.

Shit I meant to specify squigs.

[Meph]

Oh, sorry. Must have skipped that "Squigs." before the sentence with the egg-layers. But why shouldnt they? You dont like the micromanagement, or do they give you too much free food?

[Gamerlord]

Mostly the micro, but I also don't like having to build nest boxes - I like my non-grazing animals in the orc and kobold forts roaming around with everyone.

[Meph]

Mostly the micro, but I also don't like having to build nest boxes - I like my non-grazing animals in the orc and kobold forts roaming around with everyone.

That's your personal opinion/playstyle and not a good recommendation for a balance change in a mod with several thousand players.

[Gamerlord]

Mostly the micro, but I also don't like having to build nest boxes - I like my non-grazing animals in the orc and kobold forts roaming around with everyone.

That's your personal opinion/playstyle and not a good recommendation for a balance change in a mod with several thousand players.

Yeah, it's also that I just can't see squigs as egg-layers. I picture them - for some reason as horrifying mixes between pugs, pigs and wolverines. I don't see that laying an egg.

[smakemupagus]

Thanks Gamerlord.  I'm coming to the conclusion that I should rebuild from scratch and take the opportunity to reevaluate some of the way things are organized like dwarf and human tech, and warrior societies.  So a lot of your recommendations are exactly on point.  Some good things I haven't thought of before, i like the idea of a robe or something that protects your other warriors from frostbite.

I'll answer some points that were questions when I'm at a real computer later.