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« Reply #90 on: April 13, 2014, 07:14:49 pm »

Quote from: Roles
However, you will be informed of their role, and get a chat with them.
If you accidentally swear fealty to a ninja, tough luck, you become a scum too- and you may only protect scum thereafter.
I think so.
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« Reply #91 on: April 13, 2014, 08:45:22 pm »

Tack: If a samurai protects scum, does the samurai gain access to scumchat, or just a chat with the samurai's target?
The former, yes. They are fully scum.

Just gave metsuke a minor buff to show abilities and alignment.
Half because town needs all the help it can get, and half because it's Flavorlicious.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2014, 08:47:08 pm by Tack »
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« Reply #92 on: April 13, 2014, 08:46:39 pm »

On second thought, out. I don't think I have enough time for a Mafia game right now.
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« Reply #93 on: April 13, 2014, 09:57:42 pm »

Giving a town role the option to become mafia seems like a really bad idea.  Swingy.
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« Reply #94 on: April 13, 2014, 09:58:46 pm »

Giving a town role the option to become mafia seems like a really bad idea.  Swingy.
They don't know who the mafia members are, though.
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« Reply #95 on: April 13, 2014, 10:00:13 pm »

Giving a town role the option to become mafia seems like a really bad idea.  Swingy.
Aren't people meant to play to their current wincon despite their original?
« Last Edit: April 13, 2014, 10:13:26 pm by Tack »
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« Reply #96 on: April 13, 2014, 10:08:50 pm »

Yes, and most players hate convert games for that reason (they're regarded as a strictly bastard-only mechanic on other sites).  But in this particular case it's worse because you're giving the townie the choice, and thus forcing them to play against their long term interests.

It's also insanely swingy because the mafia may randomly gain an extra member.

Basically having them die if they try to protect a mafia member would be a lot less aggravating and swingy.
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« Reply #97 on: April 13, 2014, 10:17:23 pm »

I was happy with becoming Ronin being a soft losecon for Samurai.

But I am definitely going to keep the convert mechanic. It's interesting, historically relevant, and I think it'll shake up the game a little.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2014, 10:19:16 pm by Tack »
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« Reply #98 on: April 13, 2014, 10:41:32 pm »

It honestly is a mess of a role, and I want to end up with it as my role.  I want it just to use as we enter LYLO: either I significantly increase my team's chance of winning, or I win instantly.  (There's kind of a problem visible there)  Or I get nightkilled, but who cares about that?
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« Reply #99 on: April 13, 2014, 10:50:32 pm »

I personally think it's really cool, it's like a doctor/meson, and I'd be really happy if I got it.

Personally, though, I'd probably use it the first night if I did get it. I wouldn't wait.
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« Reply #100 on: April 14, 2014, 08:20:01 am »

If you're playing to your current win condition you shouldn't use the ability at all ever.
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« Reply #101 on: April 14, 2014, 08:21:42 am »

But again I think it's crappy to expect players to play against their own long-term interests in the first place.
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« Reply #102 on: April 14, 2014, 08:48:23 am »

Which is removed by simply making it a losecon.
If you get scum-ified, you get notified of your loss as the Hattori get their hooks into you for the rest of your life, and then you have to continue playing.
Not playing against your long-term interests, you've already lost.

The role, like the arquebus (or the Oni, before it's buff) is built towards risk-vs-reward.
If you, personally, would never use the ability at all ever, that's your choice. But seeing as you haven't actually marked yourself down to play, it's not exactly your problem, so I expect it won't be keeping you up at night.
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« Reply #103 on: April 14, 2014, 08:53:29 am »

Wait you're expecting a player to keep playing after they've already lost? And you're also telling this player who has already lost who the mafia is?
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« Reply #104 on: April 14, 2014, 09:04:39 am »

When the choices presented are either
A: Expect them to continue playing after losing and hold faith
or
B: Expect them to play against their wincon and hold faith

Yes, I'll take the former.
I'd do it. Judging by your actions in previous games, you would too.
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