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Until I figure out how to un-close it, at least.

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So yeah.

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Voting closed: May 01, 2014, 02:06:40 pm

[scrdest]

Maybe it's, like, a pair of maracas made to look like grenades? That would explain why he has one in both hands.

[Comrade P.]

One of those grenades is tucked in his belt, I guess.

[scrdest]

One of those grenades is tucked in his belt, I guess.

At that angle, it would be seconds ago from falling out, and if there's one thing I know about grenades is you don't want them falling under your feet randomly.

[Comrade P.]

One of those grenades is tucked in his belt, I guess.

At that angle, it would be seconds ago from falling out, and if there's one thing I know about grenades is you don't want them falling under your feet randomly.

Well, sometimes guys in Waffen SS Galichina were not quite competent, yet enthusiastic they were.

[scrdest]

One of those grenades is tucked in his belt, I guess.

At that angle, it would be seconds ago from falling out, and if there's one thing I know about grenades is you don't want them falling under your feet randomly.

Well, sometimes guys in Waffen SS Galichina were not quite competent, yet enthusiastic they were.

That doesn't seem like a trait that could sustain itself in any population.

[ivze]

Here we have some ukronazi posters from WWII.
http://moisha-liberman.livejournal.com/4308.html

Ukronazi? WTF? I see here typical German propaganda in occupied Ukraine here. Yeah, they used Ukrainian language  because using German would be counterproductive.

Maybe, but I see similar banners here for some reason...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-j-4LgfAqk

[Comrade P.]

One of those grenades is tucked in his belt, I guess.

At that angle, it would be seconds ago from falling out, and if there's one thing I know about grenades is you don't want them falling under your feet randomly.

Well, sometimes guys in Waffen SS Galichina were not quite competent, yet enthusiastic they were.

That doesn't seem like a trait that could sustain itself in any population.

As you can see, there are some descendants despite that illusion. AND there were professionals who betrayed Soviet motherland.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Waffen SS Galichina guys were quite lucky after the war comparing to Russian waffen SS. Those were interned back to USSR by western allies, while guys from SS Galichina were (or claimed that they were) Polish citizens and that changed things. Later majority of the survivors from the division emigrated to Canada.

[Helgoland]

But, i'd say that currently, even Svoboda and the Right sektor cant make much of an excuse for not standing up by Ukraine against Russia. Putin must be stopped and if russia needs to go down for allowing him to stay in power, so be it.

I remember your first few posts in this thread... You sure turned around Well, maybe less 'turning around', more 'situation is turning'.

And:

The difference is between WERE and ARE. bringing up propaganda posters from WWII is nothing but another offensive propaganda.

A thousand times yes. One of the most reputable newspapers in Germany had two (!) articles on the front page of their feulliton section arguing that a) Germany supported Ukrainian nationalism during WWII, so we shouldn't do that now, b) Ukraine only existed because Germany wanted to hurt Russia and thus created Ukrainian nationalism during WWI (or something like that), c) Ukraine has traditionally been in the Russian sphere of influence, so that should stay the way it is, and d) Ukraine as a nation doesn't exist anyway.
History is a good guide for strategy, but not a good guide for setting moral norms.

[smjjames]

Looks like an anti-tank grenade kind of thing, and yes it looks sort of odd.

Anyhow, this is sort of going off topic.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/29/us-ukraine-crisis-luhansk-idUSBREA3S0IO20140429

Yet ANOTHER building siezed, it almost sounds like they want the Russians to take over that part of the country. I don't know whether they were on strict orders to not fight back or what.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/russia-says-us-astronauts/1089664.html
'Iron curtan' rhetoric aside, they do have a point about the sanctions potentially boomeranging back and affecting the US space program. None of us wants to see the ISS fail.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

b) Ukraine only existed because Germany wanted to hurt Russia and thus created Ukrainian nationalism during WWI (or something like that)

Journalist didn't do his homework right or just tried to steal Austrian achievement. It was Austro-Hungarian idea to create Ukrainian nationalism. At least that what some Russians say

Yet ANOTHER building siezed, it almost sounds like they want the Russians to take over that part of the country. I don't know whether they were on strict orders to not fight back or what.

My thoughts exactly....

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Pft, 'rebel leaders' are targetted by EU sanctions? Who? And also: lul. Someone doesn't like their account being frozen.

[Sinistar]

Maybe, but I see similar banners here for some reason...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-j-4LgfAqk

Hmmm, you know, that's actually an interesting point. A quick search tells me such banner was also only ever used by 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian).

I am not knowledgable on this subject, so anyone cares to tell me what's that march all about? Ukrainian Ranger, any thoughts? Is this some sort of idiotic nationalism? Did this banner's meaning change during decades for some (Ukrainian) people and is now NOT associated with SS anymore or what?

I understand given it's history this could be seen as a symbol of fighting against Communism-->Soviet Union-->Russia, but it's a bad idea to use a symbol that also directly associated with Nazism...

[Comrade P.]

Apparently, they use Nazi symbolics all along, since Euromaidan till now. Ask UR. Or google. Or BBC. And they mean it. Though it is a highly flammable question.

[Sonlirain]

Maybe, but I see similar banners here for some reason...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-j-4LgfAqk

Hmmm, you know, that's actually an interesting point. A quick search tells me such banner was also only ever used by 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian).

I am not knowledgable on this subject, so anyone cares to tell me what's that march all about? Ukrainian Ranger, any thoughts? Is this some sort of idiotic nationalism? Did this banner's meaning change during decades for some (Ukrainian) people and is now NOT associated with SS anymore or what?

I understand given it's history this could be seen as a symbol of fighting against Communism-->Soviet Union-->Russia, but it's a bad idea to use a symbol that also directly associated with Nazism...

Well some people already said UPA was pro nazi for quite some time. That and the great pole axing that happened back in the day (60k people axed mostly women and children) made poles look suspiciosly on anything related to ukraine as of late.