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[NativeForeigner]

Guess I'll vote for the player previously known as Persus13 previously known as Deathsword due to logical arguments made earlier and my belief that Tiruin is not scum.

I was hoping to hear more, but at this point I'm okay with a shorten or hammer.

[Leafsnail]

If he has no defense for himself, then we can't get anything out of him, true.  But it isn't that we don't give a shit, we just know that there is a low chance of getting a replacement before day end.  Thus, we just vote for a shorten, since the result will happen either way.

Problem: There's a low chance of getting a replacement before the end of the day
Solution: Reduce that chance to zero???

That is up to the mod and not to you.

That is how it works.  Why have shortens when the day auto-ends when a decision has been made?

That's rather true, except for a hypothetical late game situation where the town has lynched the converter and inflated convert.  In that case, kill is a better mafia choice to try and turn the game around.

I guess that's kindof true, but there's still no need to take it day one since that scenario isn't happening until much later.

Also, calling people pathetic gets you nowhere, Leafy.

"Man I have no response to any of that, I wish I could just kill you" is pretty pathetic though!

[Leafsnail]

EBWOP: The middle two quotes above should lead to 4mask's post, not mind.

[mastahcheese]

"Man I have no response to any of that, I wish I could just kill you" is pretty pathetic though!

Sorry, bro. Just speaking my mind.

[4maskwolf]

EBWOP: The middle two quotes above should lead to 4mask's post, not mind.

lolz good job.  Someone has a superiority complex 

If he has no defense for himself, then we can't get anything out of him, true.  But it isn't that we don't give a shit, we just know that there is a low chance of getting a replacement before day end.  Thus, we just vote for a shorten, since the result will happen either way.

Problem: There's a low chance of getting a replacement before the end of the day
Solution: Reduce that chance to zero???

Solution: not drag the day on unnecessarily.

That is up to the mod and not to you.

That is how it works.  Why have shortens when the day auto-ends when a decision has been made?

Perhaps, but once more, that is up to the mod.  Particularly in a game with converts, a "decision" can be hard to come by.

That's rather true, except for a hypothetical late game situation where the town has lynched the converter and inflated convert.  In that case, kill is a better mafia choice to try and turn the game around.

I guess that's kindof true, but there's still no need to take it day one since that scenario isn't happening until much later.

Oh, I know.  The only thing it could possibly help with is misaimed vig kills, and that wasn't even a problem this game, since I bowed out of using the kill night one.

Also, calling people pathetic gets you nowhere, Leafy.

"Man I have no response to any of that, I wish I could just kill you" is pretty pathetic though!

Those two comments were actually separate.  He was expressing a (somewhat unnecessary) desire to shut you up because he thinks you are manipulating the town.  He also didn't argue your points. They aren't necessarily (though they could be) connected.

[Tack]

6 votes on Persus. We need Tara, LS or Jim to switch.

[Leafsnail]

6 votes on Persus. We need Tara, LS or Jim to switch.

Do you still think that Toaster is scum?

[4maskwolf]

6 votes on Persus. We need Tara, LS or Jim to switch.

Do you still think that Toaster is scum?

doesn't address my point about day shortening.

[Jim Groovester]

6 votes on Persus. We need Tara, LS or Jim to switch.

The day will end soon enough whether Persus13 is hammered or not.

I'm not switching my vote.

[Leafsnail]

doesn't address my point about day shortening.

Which one?  Neither of them seem particularly worth answering.  If we wanted to wrap the day up quickly (even at the cost of not actually hearing anything from the person we're about to lynch) we could have avoided using 5 extensions today.  And if there is no consensus on who to lynch then what right does anyone have to shorten the day?

[Tiruin]

If you wanted to hear from the playerslot so badly why are you shortening (well, trying to shorten) now that he's just told you he can't say anything?  Oh right it's because you don't actually give a [fish] about who you're lynching.

Also games with soft-hammers aren't going to have shortens.  If the town has made a decision then there'll be a hammer.

Which requires 7 out of the 11 possible voters. In which I say, 7 against 3.

The unanimous hammer.

Also...right, the first paragraph is true (however I'd side with getting the game on-get the lynch on, even if it would be me, rather than letting one player replace in and have to dig in through the tons of stuffs stated). Rather that, we do quite care. >_>

Also, fine. Let's wait for the day to end to appease all this about the 'probability that someone would replace right now'.

[4maskwolf]

doesn't address my point about day shortening.

Which one?  Neither of them seem particularly worth answering.  If we wanted to wrap the day up quickly (even at the cost of not actually hearing anything from the person we're about to lynch) we could have avoided using 5 extensions today.  And if there is no consensus on who to lynch then what right does anyone have to shorten the day?

There's never going to be a consensus, unless you have a jester or a fed-up player.  I agree that the fifth extension was unnecessary (was that Tiruin?), because nothing has changed.  Although I must ask why you threw out your extension to begin with, Leafy.

[NativeForeigner]

6 votes on Persus. We need Tara, LS or Jim to switch.

We don't need a hammer that badly. Day ends Monday regardless.

[Tiruin]

I push your rawr button and say you're flipping out because we're lynching your converter.

Am I right or am I wrong?

doesn't address my point about day shortening.

Which one?  Neither of them seem particularly worth answering.  If we wanted to wrap the day up quickly (even at the cost of not actually hearing anything from the person we're about to lynch) we could have avoided using 5 extensions today.  And if there is no consensus on who to lynch then what right does anyone have to shorten the day?

Well nobody discussed anything over the weekend, and like I said its a whole duel between me and Persus/DS given you aren't the converter, Persus isn't the converter, MOWE/Toaster isn't the converter, Tawa isn't the converter, Tack/NF/Jack/TDS isn't the converter...

And so on.

[Tiruin]

doesn't address my point about day shortening.

Which one?  Neither of them seem particularly worth answering.  If we wanted to wrap the day up quickly (even at the cost of not actually hearing anything from the person we're about to lynch) we could have avoided using 5 extensions today.  And if there is no consensus on who to lynch then what right does anyone have to shorten the day?

There's never going to be a consensus, unless you have a jester or a fed-up player.  I agree that the fifth extension was unnecessary (was that Tiruin?), because nothing has changed.  Although I must ask why you threw out your extension to begin with, Leafy.

Yes. It was me because I mainly wanted to hear from Persus :v

But then its Monday here. And it's early Monday, there.