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[4maskwolf]

4mask: Clarify the Absence for two turns please. It looks like it only excludes the jailed person from the night proceeding twilight, Yet it lets them act DURING the twilight/night of the proceeding day, and the next day after that. Meaning: D1 = Jail, they can act on D2/3 twilight/night.

Listen up, everyone:
A day-night cycle means a day, twilight, and night.  That means that a player who is jailed day one cannot act night one, two, or three, cannot play days two or three, and cannot vote twilight one, two, and three.  Naturally, you may not vote for punishment in any twilight you are accused.  A beating day one would prevent them from acting nights one or two, voting for punishment twilight one or two, or play in any way day 2.

That clear up questions?

[flabort]

Tawarochir, WhitiesOpus, and Jiokuy: As my fellow "newbies", who would you guess to be the scummiest of us four?

I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to start pointing fingers at one of us already. If we're noobs to this, how can we measure who's the scummiest?

Good point. It was a general question for question's sake, I guess. I felt I didn't have enough questions.
Uh... We can measure by first impressions?

flabort: Why are you so quick to make someone slip into such an easy trap? What do you think are the qualities of scum?

On the forums where I've played before, day 1 traps are a very common tactic. Especially in that one game, Seer's Academy (everyone had a role-check ability of some sort). Generally, the faster you are at finding a way to bring someone's loyalty into question and figure it out for sure, the more effective a player you are.

Being way too aggressive for something that isn't really scummy.

Flabort and Jiokuy: Who is Darksword?

1) Thank you for the defense.
2) Deathsword, sorry. Typo, and he copied it.

flabort: Well two of us have not posted yet, you seem to be actively scum hunting. I'll get back to you before night.

Much appreciated.

Flabort:
You are acting incredibly odd, like what seems to be intentionally misinterpreting Deathsword's responses to you (at first, at least). Do you understand how this game works?

Well, first off, I didn't see an express rule saying we have to ask other players questions; I just assumed they were a good way to find scum tells and get a feel for the game balance. Secondly, I was also reading Homestuck at the same time, at the 5th or 6th act I think, and misread his post, explaining the misinterpretation.
I understand how the night/day/twilight rules work, the lynch and abilities, and have played several games ON A DIFFERENT FORUM, even running two. However, this being a different forum with different customs, I am not used to the nuances of the community in Mafia, which I have said I am accustomed to being called Werewolf.

TheDarkStar: Which flavor roles do you think are the freemasons, if there are any? I'm inclined to thing the 3 representatives are the masons. Keeping in mind if this role typically goes by a different name in Mafia then Werewolf, it's a town ability that lets the group of them know each other right of the bat, guaranteeing they are not scum.

[Tiruin]

Is the baron a vampire?
It's entirely possible.  I'm also not playing, so you are safe from me.

*casually drifts over 4mask's words*
*rethinks TDS' note, then the active at twilight. Then at night. Then DF most recent patch*
o_o
4mask: You seriously aren't a bastard mod/this seriously isn't a bastard game, RIGHT?!

What is my role name?  I can’t find it?
Well, this is my warning to never again attempt to write flavor, because it never works.  Your role name should be in the paragraph where I describe your abilities and alignment.  If you still can’t find it, pm me.

I told you to bold it rather than put it all in italics, silly. :p
Oh!
Can someone who is jailed/beaten be acted upon in their twilight/night phase when they're active? (I mean, sure, the beaten one is active since his/her turn is done but asking for clarity) Presuming my previous question to you holds, that is.

What is the order in which things take effect?
Roleblocks take priority, and pure roleblocks take precedence over melded roleblocks.  Kills are lowest on the priority list: every other ability will trigger before a kill.  So if, to use a standardized example, a doctor got nk’d, they would still protect their target.

Over whatnow? Melded whaa?
Could we get a list of how these work? For example:
Pure Roleblock
Melded Roleblock
Inspect/Protect (same time?)
Kill
And stuff. As in, a fully and concise list?

What does "incapacitated" mean?
It means out of the game in any way.  Beating, jailing, dead, or otherwise.

Interesting. What's the otherwise?

When does a sentence end?
A sentence of removal from the game ends after a night and one or two day-night cycles has gone by, depending on what lynch option was used.  For example, if you jail three scum in a row, then during the night directly following the third jailing all scum would be in jail, thus theoretically ending the game.

So...they don't get to act in the night after the night they're jailed/beaten?
I is confussed.

...
Edit:

Can I target someone who is jailed or has been beaten?
No.  Players who are out of the game are out of the game, you cannot affect them and they cannot affect you.

Ignore me. I'm being silly.
u__u

Is the baron a vampire?
It's entirely possible.  I'm also not playing, so you are safe from me.

Are you either in jail or in any kind of lawful protection?

Can we lynch the mod?
No, you cannot.  The mod is not playing the game.

Is the mod a baron? D:<

It's not a bastard mod, there aren't any puzzles.

...
*Tiruin replies per statement. This makes 50% of her statements irrelevant. Woo! Go her!
I fail forever.


@TDS Yeah I prefer the Jail over the beating, but only in D1. Then I vote beating every other day unless people speak about hammers.

[4maskwolf]

Changed the OP, there are only two guild reps.  I scrapped the craftsdwarfs one.

[Tiruin]

Um... there are multiple kill groups?

And it sounds like the Baron is a vampire. Oh crud.

I don't think 4mask'll confirm or deny this (though I do say, 4mask: please reply to this) given the context (as it confirms more than not if done as is...though by his wording it seems implied. But then that'd be cheap on some level..or the mod slipped or whatever)

Tawa

Yes, I am aware of the implications of "lurking". I just kind of forgot about the thread.

Hm... I think I'll just see how things play out on day one. NOT VOTING.

Since you're new: How do you think just observing will help your cause? How will it help you, personally? How will that help others?

Caz

Caz: If you were able to scry - I mean, rolecheck - who would you typically check first based on Day 1 votes?

Anyone who felt off to me. If I had failed to get so much as that, I'd probably check one of the more experienced players to know whether I could trust them.

Quick query: As a friend, I'm always 'off' to you. Will you let such notions (ie Out of Mafia ties) affect your targeting system? I won't, but after a thorough look.
Because it seems I tend to befriend everyone.
...Also why the experienced players?

[4maskwolf]

Is the baron a vampire?
It's entirely possible.  I'm also not playing, so you are safe from me.

*casually drifts over 4mask's words*
*rethinks TDS' note, then the active at twilight. Then at night. Then DF most recent patch*
o_o
4mask: You seriously aren't a bastard mod/this seriously isn't a bastard game, RIGHT?!

What is my role name?  I can’t find it?
Well, this is my warning to never again attempt to write flavor, because it never works.  Your role name should be in the paragraph where I describe your abilities and alignment.  If you still can’t find it, pm me.

I told you to bold it rather than put it all in italics, silly. :p
Oh!
Can someone who is jailed/beaten be acted upon in their twilight/night phase when they're active? (I mean, sure, the beaten one is active since his/her turn is done but asking for clarity) Presuming my previous question to you holds, that is.

What is the order in which things take effect?
Roleblocks take priority, and pure roleblocks take precedence over melded roleblocks.  Kills are lowest on the priority list: every other ability will trigger before a kill.  So if, to use a standardized example, a doctor got nk’d, they would still protect their target.

Over whatnow? Melded whaa?
Could we get a list of how these work? For example:
Pure Roleblock
Melded Roleblock
Inspect/Protect (same time?)
Kill
And stuff. As in, a fully and concise list?

What does "incapacitated" mean?
It means out of the game in any way.  Beating, jailing, dead, or otherwise.

Interesting. What's the otherwise?

When does a sentence end?
A sentence of removal from the game ends after a night and one or two day-night cycles has gone by, depending on what lynch option was used.  For example, if you jail three scum in a row, then during the night directly following the third jailing all scum would be in jail, thus theoretically ending the game.

So...they don't get to act in the night after the night they're jailed/beaten?
I is confussed.

...
Edit:

Can I target someone who is jailed or has been beaten?
No.  Players who are out of the game are out of the game, you cannot affect them and they cannot affect you.

Ignore me. I'm being silly.
u__u

Is the baron a vampire?
It's entirely possible.  I'm also not playing, so you are safe from me.

Are you either in jail or in any kind of lawful protection?

Can we lynch the mod?
No, you cannot.  The mod is not playing the game.

Is the mod a baron? D:<

It's not a bastard mod, there aren't any puzzles.

...
*Tiruin replies per statement. This makes 50% of her statements irrelevant. Woo! Go her!
I fail forever.


@TDS Yeah I prefer the Jail over the beating, but only in D1. Then I vote beating every other day unless people speak about hammers.

Not a bastard mod.
Read what I said about the lynch options just prior.
They are not active in the twilight/night phase they stand accused in.
Very well:
Pure roleblock
roleblock+something else (think jailkeep)
protects/inspects/tracks/whatever, since they don't interfere
Anything that would remove another player from the game (for instance, kills)
The otherwise is me modkilling nosy players
By the time you had told me to bold them, the role pm's were out.  They were premade, see.
I should hope I'm not in jail.
You don't fail forever.
The baron is the dwarf fortress avatar of the mod, yes.

PPE: *sigh* I put up a question answer on the main Q and A section regarding this.  But I'll give a better answer here.  I'm not going to reveal too much of the role powers, but there are no other GROUPS with the power to kill.  At least one role has an elimination ability, however.

Actual Edit (I'm the mod, I can do that): Why do you all think that I'm a bastard 

[mastahcheese]

Actual Edit (I'm the mod, I can do that): Why do you all think that I'm a bastard 

It's a term for Mafia games with non-standard/insane rules, it's not an insult.

Tiruin

mastah

Tiruin:
You've responded in the thread, but didn't ask any questions. (Or if you did I completely missed it.) Are you busy?
Would you rather have a role that can inspect others? Or a role that can block others?

[1] I totally didn't ask any due to:
a. Me being probably stressed or sad because of seemingly trivial reasons to everyone else but really (bad)-good reasons to me
b. PFP'd
c. It's a weekday and WOOHOO FINALS and WOOHOO LAST WEEK PROJECTS and WOOHOO *ded*
d. Dx

So yeah. I is the busy.

-snip-

PPE (pre-posting edit): [2] I notice you didn't mention any alignment associated with that kinda question there. Why did you ask me that without that kind of context?

[1] I'm sorry... I kinda figured stuff like that when I asked it.
[2] I didn't think to, honestly. Although now that you mention it, would you prefer an inspect role or a block role if you were on the scum side?

[Tiruin]

[1] I'm sorry... I kinda figured stuff like that when I asked it.
[2] I didn't think to, honestly. Although now that you mention it, would you prefer an inspect role or a block role if you were on the scum side?

Depends on the scenario, I answered that more like a general rule, really.
But as scum? Roleblock all the way~ (inspect seems good though. I've no qualms over picking either/or, nor have reasons to favor one over the other, other than tactical advantage but I do fancy roleblock as a cosmetic note) <3

[4maskwolf]

Actual Edit (I'm the mod, I can do that): Why do you all think that I'm a bastard 

It's a term for Mafia games with non-standard/insane rules, it's not an insult.

Tiruin

mastah

Tiruin:
You've responded in the thread, but didn't ask any questions. (Or if you did I completely missed it.) Are you busy?
Would you rather have a role that can inspect others? Or a role that can block others?

[1] I totally didn't ask any due to:
a. Me being probably stressed or sad because of seemingly trivial reasons to everyone else but really (bad)-good reasons to me
b. PFP'd
c. It's a weekday and WOOHOO FINALS and WOOHOO LAST WEEK PROJECTS and WOOHOO *ded*
d. Dx

So yeah. I is the busy.

-snip-

PPE (pre-posting edit): [2] I notice you didn't mention any alignment associated with that kinda question there. Why did you ask me that without that kind of context?

[1] I'm sorry... I kinda figured stuff like that when I asked it.
[2] I didn't think to, honestly. Although now that you mention it, would you prefer an inspect role or a block role if you were on the scum side?

I know what it means, Cheese.

[Teneb]

Caz: Why did you steal my question?

Mastacheese: Do you expect the larger than average newbie number will affect reads to a significant degree?

Persus13 - Do you think newbies in the game make it more difficult to hunt correctly?

Hmm, that's interesting. I must have skimmed over while reading and the idea got stuck in my head, then conveniently forgot where I got the idea from. There are a large portion of new players in this game though, aren't there?

Yes there are.

Deathsword:

Mastacheese: Do you expect the larger than average newbie number will affect reads to a significant degree?

Maybe? I don't know until I see them in action. How would you expect them to affect it?
Also you seem to be taking that vote on you rather harshly, for what is admittedly a random vote.

Lots of wild newbie flailing tends to clog one's scum-detector. It's sometimes hard to differentiate between scummy behaviour and true inexperience.
I didn't take the vote harshly. If a player doesn't give out questions, it can be hard to get any reads on them in RVS. My counter-vote was also to see what kind of reaction it would cause. Flarbot kept calm and made no slips, so I unvoted.

Yes, I am aware of the implications of "lurking". I just kind of forgot about the thread.

Hm... I think I'll just see how things play out on day one. NOT VOTING.

If you don't want people to lynch, then you should type "no lynch" in red. If you just don't want to vote, you don't need to declare it out for others. No lynching is bad on D1, since it gives scum a free night while town remains without any kind of information. Also, why not ask questions to others? There are plenty of examples in this very thread if you have no idea what to ask.

[flabort]

My counter-vote was also to see what kind of reaction it would cause. Flarbot kept calm and made no slips, so I unvoted.

Thank you for the compliment. I think I'll return the favor.
Unvote

Um... I think I should ask some more questions now.

Imperial Gaurdsman: If a scum were to have a second night kill, what would be your strategy to counter it? If you were scum, then what would be your strategy to avoid the second night kill being countered?

Mastahcheese: The acronyms RVS and RV are unfamiliar to me. I assume they refer to this question asking, but haven't heard of them before.

Tawarochir: What do you make of the loyalty switch upon being beat/jailed/hammered?
Related, 4maskwolf: If all the scum are beat, but one town is beat before the second scum is hit, then when the ex-town returns, he's now a scum, right?

[4maskwolf]

Related, 4maskwolf: If all the scum are beat, but one town is beat before the second scum is hit, then when the ex-town returns, he's now a scum, right?

Erm... what?
If a townie gets beaten, he will return townie.  If a scum is beaten, he will return scum.  A beating does not change alignment, nor does any other form of anything in this game.  No, no cults.  Beating the scum will remove them from the game momentarily, yes, but they will return.  Could you clarify your question.

[TheDarkStar]

Related, 4maskwolf: If all the scum are beat, but one town is beat before the second scum is hit, then when the ex-town returns, he's now a scum, right?

Erm... what?
If a townie gets beaten, he will return townie.  If a scum is beaten, he will return scum.  A beating does not change alignment, nor does any other form of anything in this game.  No, no cults.  Beating the scum will remove them from the game momentarily, yes, but they will return.  Could you clarify your question.

I think he's reading the "role flip" as role change, rather than role reveal.

[flabort]

There are three choices for punishment: a beating (flips loyalty and removes the player from the game for a turn), jail sentence (flips loyalty and removes the player from the game for two turns), and hammering (death, and loyaltyflip as an aside).  Absence for a turn means missing the immediately following night and the next day night cycle, absence for two turns removes the player from the game for the next night and the next two day night cycles.  While removed from the game, the player cannot be targeted and cannot post in the thread or any chats they may be in.

[4maskwolf]

Related, 4maskwolf: If all the scum are beat, but one town is beat before the second scum is hit, then when the ex-town returns, he's now a scum, right?

Erm... what?
If a townie gets beaten, he will return townie.  If a scum is beaten, he will return scum.  A beating does not change alignment, nor does any other form of anything in this game.  No, no cults.  Beating the scum will remove them from the game momentarily, yes, but they will return.  Could you clarify your question.

I think he's reading the "role flip" as role change, rather than role reveal.

OHHHH.

And first of all, I said loyalty flip.
Also, just for everyone's information, this is a flavor heavy game.  You'll see what I mean tonight.
And no, a "flip" means that their loyalty is revealed.