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[Xantalos]

I think Nik meant Intuituon.

[Nikitian]

Here, let me find the original quote about proper use of language in ER "thinking" actions.

(I'll just let you all know that a good way to indicate which roll you want to do  is "Think about X" for a int roll, "Examine x" to just look at it, and something like "Try to determine the use of X" or "Consider what x means" or the like for Intuition rolls.)

So, I tried going for both Int and Intu, using old system terms. Under new system, it should be Mind and Intu or possibly GenKnow and Intu.

[Parisbre56]

Genereal Knowledge should be using what you see/sense and what you (potentially) know to come to a conclusion (e.g., Lyra knowing about automanips or identifying a wine or a piece of equipment) or generally just knowing something obscure (solving a riddle, providing advice about the customs of a certain society) or knowing how to do something obscure (playing the banjo, sailing (although there might be an aux roll involved as well)).

Brain MIND (I keep calling it brain for some reason) should cover using (mostly) what you see/sense and logic to come up to a conclusion (for example, researching info on the internet or solving a logic-based puzzle).

That's how I understand them, anyway.

[Radio Controlled]

Hey paris, the AM was the one who told of the 'quality' of Miya's manip brains, so I had removed the question marks, seemed superfluous. Though I could ask pw to be sure. As for the damage, are you sure both of them have that red line wiggling? I only remember pw confirming damage when he was digging that hole, the other times they were 'in the red' I though it was just referring to them being tired/expended.

[Parisbre56]

About the red line, I don't remember, so it's more just trusting my past self for agreeing with those edits. I'll try to take a look at when the edits were made and the piecewise turns posted at the time to confirm later. And probably start putting citations everywhere. You can't be a good space accountant if you don't keep your space receipts.

About the brains, I don't remember whether or not piecewise said the AM was giving perfect results. Again, just trusting my past self more for agreeing with those edits containing question marks.

We could just ask piecewise about the brains. And if the AM does indeed give good results, then maybe propose to him that all brains automatically get scanned when bought since I assume that putting that in the wiki immediately would actually make it easier for him to keep track of things.

[NJW2000]

Nobody is posting the dance off idea in Spess Gud mission.

Why not?

[Radio Controlled]

Hmm, I suddenly wonder if not actually checking the lines might be 'smarter' (aka scummier/munchkinnier) due to not reminding pw it could have brain damage, and then just not mentioning it till he's likely to have forgotten. Similarly to how not posting when bad shit's happening can give one quantum damage protection. Cause I doubt he's keeping a separate file to track that sorta thing. Maybe we should ask him to clearly say when manip brain damage has occured for accountancy purposes, though that also takes away a bit of the whole the whole 'amps can feel how far they went and if they went too far, manips need to interpret abstracter signals' thing.

And yeah, asking for immediate brain scanning seems best, though I kinda feel it might be easier/better if all brains in a category are the same, less bookkeeping (and it doesn't really add much IMHO).

[Parisbre56]

Wasn't the problem with manipulators that you couldn't judge how much "effort" something would take, so there's always the danger of overestimating your reserves or underestimating the difficulty of a task? While amp users can always tell exactly how tired they are, how tired they'll get after doing something and what would cause an overload? That would probably also make manipulator overshoots worse and manipulator overloads more likely.

[NJW2000]

Come join us on Toribash, if you play or would like to, server /join bay12, Navarro, Devestator and I, at the moment.

[Parisbre56]

@RC: Yeah, from the looks of it, it's not explicitly said whether or not the brains received damage. He merely said "close to the red", which probably means it wasn't damaged. I'll ask him to make sure.

PIECEWISE! Can a humble space accounted request your attention for a moment?

When the AM says a brain is of good or bad quality or average, is there any uncertainty?
If yes, you can give a reading whenever someone purchases a brain, to make bookkeeping easier for you, since that will then be put on the wiki. Or just make all brains in the same tier equal.

And do you remember whether or not Miyamoto's brains received any damage in the following quoted actions?

Spoiler: This brain was of very good quality and undamaged. It had not been used recently. (click to show/hide)

"Iveso, try to latch onto the shuttle and use your rockets to keep the shuttle going. I'll see if I can help out as well with my manip. We just need to get into a stable orbit, then another shuttle can come pick us up."


Could I use the manip to help get us into a stable orbit? Maybe by pushing the shuttle/increasing its speed with vector part, or using the manip to make it lighter or something? If yes, do it! Also, ask Steve if there is anything he could do to help us. Would it help if we dump the assaultsuit after it has used up its fuel, to shed weight?

...Oh, and ask him if this is even salvageable at this point, or if we'll have to land and take a new shuttle.

Iveso action, in case he doesn't show up: fly up to the shuttle's left side, grab hold of it and use the rocket boosters to keep her going up. Work together with the pilot to keep the flight steady.

Iveso activates his rockets and you give the ship repeated shoves with your manip. It gets the ship moving upward again, past where it was originally and back out toward space. Iveso's rockets have a bit more staying power then our repeated shoves though, as your brain is already reading near the red.
>Dropping any amount of weight would probably help. Judging from what I know, it's salvageable, though it won't be easy for you.

Spoiler: This brain was of average quality and had been used to the point where it got a bit damaged a few minutes ago (when Miyamoto dug the hole to get the Haebi brain out) (click to show/hide)

Swap brain for the other one, check its mindpoints (send eeg to Kyle, but it's been resting for quite a while now).

Iveso action in case he doesn't show up: keep flying!
Action for people not posting that are in the ship (and. Ot a pilot): help hold that rope steady, so the two repairguys can work easier.

"If there's any handy guy on ship who could help fix that engine, now would be a pretty good time to reveal yourself! Tie a rope around yourself so you don't fall off to the planet, and ask Steve for instructions."

((Prae, once your fuel is gone, if we aren't stable by then, we'll have to have Iveso exit and dump the suit. But that'll be dangerous, and I'd rather not make another char do something so dangerous without their player consenting.))

Keep flying.

[Sorry about the big delay between posts. Still without internet in the apartment.]

You switch out the brain and use it to the red line pushing the ship up as well. It's difficult to do; pushing with enough force to matter but not damaging the ship by hurling it, uncontrolled, upwards.

Iveso pushes his rocket pack till it finally gives out, the fuel expended.

[piecewise]

@RC: Yeah, from the looks of it, it's not explicitly said whether or not the brains received damage. He merely said "close to the red", which probably means it wasn't damaged. I'll ask him to make sure.

PIECEWISE! Can a humble space accounted request your attention for a moment?

When the AM says a brain is of good or bad quality or average, is there any uncertainty?
If yes, you can give a reading whenever someone purchases a brain, to make bookkeeping easier for you, since that will then be put on the wiki. Or just make all brains in the same tier equal.

And do you remember whether or not Miyamoto's brains received any damage in the following quoted actions?

Spoiler: This brain was of very good quality and undamaged. It had not been used recently. (click to show/hide)

"Iveso, try to latch onto the shuttle and use your rockets to keep the shuttle going. I'll see if I can help out as well with my manip. We just need to get into a stable orbit, then another shuttle can come pick us up."


Could I use the manip to help get us into a stable orbit? Maybe by pushing the shuttle/increasing its speed with vector part, or using the manip to make it lighter or something? If yes, do it! Also, ask Steve if there is anything he could do to help us. Would it help if we dump the assaultsuit after it has used up its fuel, to shed weight?

...Oh, and ask him if this is even salvageable at this point, or if we'll have to land and take a new shuttle.

Iveso action, in case he doesn't show up: fly up to the shuttle's left side, grab hold of it and use the rocket boosters to keep her going up. Work together with the pilot to keep the flight steady.

Iveso activates his rockets and you give the ship repeated shoves with your manip. It gets the ship moving upward again, past where it was originally and back out toward space. Iveso's rockets have a bit more staying power then our repeated shoves though, as your brain is already reading near the red.
>Dropping any amount of weight would probably help. Judging from what I know, it's salvageable, though it won't be easy for you.

Spoiler: This brain was of average quality and had been used to the point where it got a bit damaged a few minutes ago (when Miyamoto dug the hole to get the Haebi brain out) (click to show/hide)

Swap brain for the other one, check its mindpoints (send eeg to Kyle, but it's been resting for quite a while now).

Iveso action in case he doesn't show up: keep flying!
Action for people not posting that are in the ship (and. Ot a pilot): help hold that rope steady, so the two repairguys can work easier.

"If there's any handy guy on ship who could help fix that engine, now would be a pretty good time to reveal yourself! Tie a rope around yourself so you don't fall off to the planet, and ask Steve for instructions."

((Prae, once your fuel is gone, if we aren't stable by then, we'll have to have Iveso exit and dump the suit. But that'll be dangerous, and I'd rather not make another char do something so dangerous without their player consenting.))

Keep flying.

[Sorry about the big delay between posts. Still without internet in the apartment.]

You switch out the brain and use it to the red line pushing the ship up as well. It's difficult to do; pushing with enough force to matter but not damaging the ship by hurling it, uncontrolled, upwards.

Iveso pushes his rocket pack till it finally gives out, the fuel expended.

There's a bit, but thats mostly because it's kinda hard to seperate something with 75 points from something with 80 without just stating numerical differences. Both would be good, but there would be a bit of a difference between them.



And no, they're fine.




I've been playing around today.



It's a start.

[renegadelobster]

...well now. That looks interesting. How many hippies organs would I have to sell to help fund that?

[Nunzillor]

Oo cool.  What did you make it with?

[AoshimaMichio]

I see what you are doing and raise.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Hooray google image search.

[Nikitian]

-snip-
It's a start.

UH OH.
That's... old (original) ER, right?.. HMRC barracks and stasis pods lining one of the walls.

Just... just...
Oh dear, I'll have to sell my organs, mortgage my place and sell myself into slavery to see it fully financed and developed. Do you think it could ever be fully encoded, with all the non-standard (reality-pwning semi-random) Fun?