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Re: Einsteinian Roulette OOC
« Reply #5355 on: June 01, 2014, 02:29:40 pm »

Well, IIRC Avatars of War are synthflesh monstrosities that  are designed to be hulking engines of destruction, and the synthflesh gives them a heck of lat more power to weight than normal muscle and tissue. Xan, could probably match this and try to wrestle Miya, but if he screws it up he'll run hard into the square cube law :P
He's kinda got shit stats, though, at least for that kind of thing.
Both true. Maybe if he gets even larger...?

square cube law :P
Unless that, yeah. :<

Though he has been shown to be able to adjust his density and such, hasn't he? If he can replicate cameyes, the odds that he'll be able to do a passable imitation of something tougher than a lot of metals seems pretty good.


If I manage to survive, I'd love to spar with Xan in a robot body. Or maybe in a body that Xan provides, if that proves to be fun enough.
I still don't believe any of you at all that this will end well.

Though of course it'd be awesome if it did.


Speaking of sparring and robo-bodies, can one control a synthflesh or robot body remotely?
Could be handy for sparring without dying. Then again, there's always the VR... but where's the fun in that?!
I looked into this ages ago. It's possible, but there's a handful of side effects. Lemme see if I can find them.

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Most of those are probably a lot less severe when you're a few meters away from the action, but who knows with wireless soultech.


How exactly do you expect Hasala and Lerman to watch out for the police while inside the building and fighting cultists? The only way to keep an eye out for the police is to be in the diner or out on the sidewalk, since we didn't bring any cameras. So it's basically exactly "no, bad dog, you get the newspaper". It's even worse for Hasala; you're basically denying any chance he has left of fulfilling Miyamoto's orders. At least Lerman is still gonna get mostly what he came on the mission for. Depending on how the encounter with the police goes, Hasala might not even get a chance to test the goop thrower.
You could ask Steve or the driver to keep watch for you and make sure not to break radio contact with them. Which is admittedly unlikely going inside that void sheath, but still. You could potentially also take turns or just have one member volunteer for the lookout part, provided the same. Actually handling it will probably take more than one person manning the machine gun, but that'll probably take more than two or a better-equipped two anyway. If you felt particularly ballsy you could even try something more elaborate, like having the APC scoot away and pulling something with ambushing, blocking off, or hiding from the cops. Not that I'd recommend it, but there are more ways to deal with incoming police action than sitting in the car waiting for them to arrive.

Plus, it's a potentially fluid situation. If we get a bunch of injured people who can't do anything but sit in the APC gently caressing the machine gun, you might be off the hook (assuming you trust them, of course). If they don't seem to be coming after all, or they show up and we manage to convince them they don't want none of this heat, you're probably off the hook. If they show up and we wipe them out, you're at least temporarily off the hook. If they show up, set up a laughable perimeter, and then shout at us that we should give ourselves up while settling down for some coffee and doughnuts, you're probably off the hook.


Everyone else, remember the plan. Go in, ask whoever appears to be in charge about their higher power or something. Whatever gets them talking or shooting. Try not to deliberately intimidate or bother the diners; they'll probably go quieter if they think you've got no beef with them in particular and just happen to be making a mess of their dining plans. On the other hand, there's a non-zero chance the diners are cultists or affected somehow, so don't let your guard down completely.

Important sections highlighted.  Hasala did not deliberately intimidate anyone, although he did walk up with a jury-rigged flamethrower.  I'd think that would probably be less intimidating than the spacesuits- any large gang might have jury-rigged flamethrowers, but spaceshits are pretty obviously weird.

Further, you never told him that he should stay back because he was scarier.  From his perspective, he was told to go in.  Blindly following orders isn't a trait of a leader, but it is a good trait of a soldier.  Punishing people for not second-guessing your orders seems... just as insane as Lerman flashbanging civvies.

Also, Lerman's flashbang was obviously intended to help the diners, even if it was a schizophrenic form of 'help'.  Taddock starting to beat people up wasn't helpful in any way, and directly contradicted your orders.  Yes, he did it after damage was done, but I don't see how a flashbang would have sparked that behavior;  He probably would have done it in any case, so he should get the same punishment.
Faith's going by what she saw and what happened, not what was intended. I believe it was Konrad beating the civilians, not Taddok, but whichever it was had a pretty terrible action- block the door looking menacing? How the hell is that going to aid in getting people out of the diner? But Faith didn't see that; she saw Hasala and Lerman ruin everything, and then Konrad go Typical ARM with a nightstick. Especially given that the point of the "punishment" was "we now need people to deal with this, so since you produced it that should probably be you," it makes a lot of sense to hold Hasala and Lerman accountable, but not Konrad.

As for specifics, I really doubt a strange outfit is going to panic people more than an obviously armed person just standing there whistling. If it's a common gang implement, the locals are apparently not accustomed to it being a good sign.

It's true that I didn't tell him to stay back because he was scarier, and that in fact I told him the opposite. However, he didn't do exactly what I said- he walked up and just stood there disconcertingly. Him or especially everyone actually entering the building with their various accoutrements might have been more or less scary; if it was more, obviously I wouldn't be blaming anyone for what they were packing. As it stands, he looked a lot like a crazy armed person threatening or planning some kind of malice.

I flashbanged everyone due to shitty intelligence and willpower rolls. Now I get to sit in the truck.
Well, you don't have to. You just have to make sure we don't get blindsided by the police or else a tall synthwoman might be rather cross with you.
"Well, you don't have to stay behind.  Just, if you don't, and police show up, this very dangerous person might be rather cross with you."

So, you won't do anything if people disobey orders and nothing goes wrong, but if people obey orders and mess things up, they're punished.  Really, 'orders' are kinda just 'suggestions'; just do whatever you think is least likely to mess stuff up.
Their orders aren't "stay here, but you know, orders are just suggestions for not pissing me off." Their orders are "deal with the police that are probably on their way because of the stuff you did." If they can do that some way other than the obvious, problem solved.
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette OOC
« Reply #5356 on: June 01, 2014, 02:33:13 pm »

Their orders aren't "stay here, but you know, orders are just suggestions for not pissing me off." Their orders are "deal with the police that are probably on their way because of the stuff you did." If they can do that some way other than the obvious, problem solved.

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Re: Einsteinian Roulette OOC
« Reply #5357 on: June 01, 2014, 02:42:29 pm »

Found this and thought I should share what's painted near Aresteve's node:
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You paint a breath taking mural and entitle it "An idiot's guide to space magic".
Be sure to admire this cautionary sign ironically painted by one of the most dangerous inmates next time you pass by the Armoury.

@Radio Control: The odds are kinda against me, because you've got a total +2 STR, +1 2/3 DEX and +2 1/3 END.
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette OOC
« Reply #5358 on: June 01, 2014, 04:56:40 pm »

Their orders aren't "stay here, but you know, orders are just suggestions for not pissing me off." Their orders are "deal with the police that are probably on their way because of the stuff you did." If they can do that some way other than the obvious, problem solved.
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette OOC
« Reply #5359 on: June 01, 2014, 05:48:42 pm »

Well, IIRC Avatars of War are synthflesh monstrosities that  are designed to be hulking engines of destruction, and the synthflesh gives them a heck of lat more power to weight than normal muscle and tissue. Xan, could probably match this and try to wrestle Miya, but if he screws it up he'll run hard into the square cube law :P
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette OOC
« Reply #5360 on: June 01, 2014, 09:11:30 pm »

Jack will be willing to spar with people, he just needs to not go on a mission.  Or maybe if he has extra time to burn.
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« Reply #5361 on: June 01, 2014, 09:21:22 pm »

Have you had Xan just sit at the food dispenser and eat until it runs out?
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette OOC
« Reply #5362 on: June 01, 2014, 10:17:47 pm »

Hey Syv, remember how you made fun of my telephone typing skills a while ago?

Now we're even  :P

No fair!  My phone has a mind of it's own and just likes that word for typos.  I mistype the 'o' in 'shot' far too often for there to be any other excuse.  SWAT teams do not breach rooms while randomly shitting everywhere...

Speaking of sparring and robo-bodies, can one control a synthflesh or robot body remotely?
Could be handy for sparring without dying. Then again, there's always the VR... but where's the fun in that?!
I looked into this ages ago. It's possible, but there's a handful of side effects. Lemme see if I can find them.

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Most of those are probably a lot less severe when you're a few meters away from the action, but who knows with wireless soultech.

...Well, I'm glad this came up at random.  Looks like Anton'll have to wait a few more turns before he gets a 'safe' remote control robot body.  An extra AUX:5 to make sure the server sanitize the signal should be sufficient.  I hope.

Meh.  We can just have Grate test it.  And he thought he was useless...



Important sections highlighted.  Hasala did not deliberately intimidate anyone, although he did walk up with a jury-rigged flamethrower.  I'd think that would probably be less intimidating than the spacesuits- any large gang might have jury-rigged flamethrowers, but spaceshits are pretty obviously weird.

Further, you never told him that he should stay back because he was scarier.  From his perspective, he was told to go in.  Blindly following orders isn't a trait of a leader, but it is a good trait of a soldier.  Punishing people for not second-guessing your orders seems... just as insane as Lerman flashbanging civvies.

Also, Lerman's flashbang was obviously intended to help the diners, even if it was a schizophrenic form of 'help'.  Taddock starting to beat people up wasn't helpful in any way, and directly contradicted your orders.  Yes, he did it after damage was done, but I don't see how a flashbang would have sparked that behavior;  He probably would have done it in any case, so he should get the same punishment.

Faith's going by what she saw and what happened, not what was intended. I believe it was Konrad beating the civilians, not Taddok, but whichever it was had a pretty terrible action- block the door looking menacing? How the hell is that going to aid in getting people out of the diner? But Faith didn't see that; she saw Hasala and Lerman ruin everything, and then Konrad go Typical ARM with a nightstick. Especially given that the point of the "punishment" was "we now need people to deal with this, so since you produced it that should probably be you," it makes a lot of sense to hold Hasala and Lerman accountable, but not Konrad.

Yes, and I was going by what Faith saw as well.  The guy randomly jumping in and beating people should have been punished regardless of the flashbang, because he -from Faith's perspective- probably would have done it anyway.  Flashbanging the civvies probably wasn't what sparked it, and he still ignored orders, even if his ignoring them did little damage.


As for specifics, I really doubt a strange outfit is going to panic people more than an obviously armed person just standing there whistling. If it's a common gang implement, the locals are apparently not accustomed to it being a good sign.

It's true that I didn't tell him to stay back because he was scarier, and that in fact I told him the opposite. However, he didn't do exactly what I said- he walked up and just stood there disconcertingly. Him or especially everyone actually entering the building with their various accoutrements might have been more or less scary; if it was more, obviously I wouldn't be blaming anyone for what they were packing. As it stands, he looked a lot like a crazy armed person threatening or planning some kind of malice.

And the people with rifles and shotguns weren't obviously armed?  What about the other two people who walked up with him, that weren't punished?  What did he do that differentiated them from him?

And why would entering the diner have been better?  From Faith's perspective, Hasala might have just hesitated when he saw people were beginning to look very aggressive.  He stopped at the door, without speaking.  Is that really sufficient to blame him for cops being called?

And really, spaceshits aren't that weird. Spaceships gotta dispose of their waste somehow. Unless we recycle everything....
They're weird when a bunch of whistling people wearing them and wielding heavy weaponry walk up to the restaurant you're eating at.

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Re: Einsteinian Roulette OOC
« Reply #5363 on: June 01, 2014, 10:49:05 pm »

On a sparring note, Denzel will gladly start up a VR sparring league.
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« Reply #5364 on: June 01, 2014, 11:09:40 pm »

Jason would probably do some VR sparring once he gets a weapon the VR can actually replicate.
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« Reply #5365 on: June 01, 2014, 11:09:53 pm »

On a sparring note, Denzel will gladly start up a VR sparring league.

We had three permakills last time someone did that.





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Re: Einsteinian Roulette OOC
« Reply #5366 on: June 01, 2014, 11:15:11 pm »

Can someone list what would be the best settings for a virtual massacre in the VR machine using preprogrammed programs?
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« Reply #5367 on: June 01, 2014, 11:23:58 pm »

It depends on how you define "massacre."  You could just give everyone Fusion Instigators.
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette OOC
« Reply #5368 on: June 01, 2014, 11:27:08 pm »

Have you had Xan just sit at the food dispenser and eat until it runs out?
No, for aforementioned fear of being smacked down for trying to abuse game mechanics, but I'm gonna try.
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« Reply #5369 on: June 01, 2014, 11:32:55 pm »

I am difinitely interested in sparring, just havent had time with all the missions.
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