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[Helgoland]

As for industrial policy, well, I agree with you. The EU is way too liberal in some aspect, and we could do with more regional help (we do help them modernize, I just think we ought to do more). But still, why would be bomb and break apart Yougoslavia for cheap labor when we could just have a work permit system? That theory doesn't make any sense.

Bombing a country to smithereens allows Western companies to get their hands on reconstruction contracts. The activities of KBR and Halliburton in Iraq is a perfect example. Plus, dismembering a country makes it more susceptible to political and economic manipulation and pressure.
Russian anti-Western sources' claims that the West plans to dismember Russia aren't very illogical - the West would profit more from having several puppet states in the place of Russia instead of having to deal with a united Russia. Unfortunately for the West, the horrible totalitarian dick-tator Putin objects.

We really need to open a West-Eastern news agency: In Germany, they claim that Schröder sold us out to the Russians! Maybe the problem is that the EU doesn't know how scary it can look...

[boki]

As for industrial policy, well, I agree with you. The EU is way too liberal in some aspect, and we could do with more regional help (we do help them modernize, I just think we ought to do more). But still, why would be bomb and break apart Yougoslavia for cheap labor when we could just have a work permit system? That theory doesn't make any sense.

Bombing a country to smithereens allows Western companies to get their hands on reconstruction contracts. The activities of KBR and Halliburton in Iraq is a perfect example. Plus, dismembering a country makes it more susceptible to political and economic manipulation and pressure.
Russian anti-Western sources' claims that the West plans to dismember Russia aren't very illogical - the West would profit more from having several puppet states in the place of Russia instead of having to deal with a united Russia. Unfortunately for the West, the horrible totalitarian dick-tator Putin objects.

You are really close for why west does shit it does.
Generally it's not only construction. There are a lot of thing, from loans the country need to take, to think like private businesses coming and buying out destroyed firms,  and other things for low money than selling it. To "positive" things like moving factories to the country because of low work cost.

There is a standard procedure that almost every country that was bombard and invaded by west does. And most is coming of west firms to milk it more.
There is a very good documentary show explaining all this and giving examples of things that happend in the past on internet, will try to find it.

[GlyphGryph]

http://www.unian.net/politics/894040-v-kryimu-reshili-ne-priglashat-na-nelegitimnyiy-referendum-teh-komu-ne-doveryayut.html

The results of the referendum will not be public. Also, invitations to said referendum will only be extended to those who can be trusted to make the right decision. (I think that's what this says - confirmation?)

Come on guys, this is totally legit!

[Darvi]

Translation: "We're not gonna let anybdody vote who doesn't share our views, and we're gonna make up the results anyway"?

[GlyphGryph]

I don't know if they are talking about voters, they might just be talking about writing and managing the referendum.

This is amusing:

Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich.

We learned that you want to send troops to the Crimea, to protect the rights of Russian-speaking population.
In this regard, we have a big request - send troops to the Vologda region. We're all entirely Russian-speaking and our very rights are infringed. Our patients can not get the drugs and treatment they need, the level of our education falls every year, closed circles and children's sections , agriculture virtually destroyed. We all suffer.

And the invaders who seized power with the help of fraudulent elections, do nothing for the population. They spend money on themselves, on PR, their offices and country houses, the purchase of apartments and air charter.
We 'll be very grateful, and guarantee that no guerrilla war against the liberators will come. Yes, and international sanctions , for sure, will not follow.

We have also learned that you are going to spend a lot of money to normalize life in the Crimea. We are embarassed to ask whether it is possible to spend money for normalization of life in the Vologda region. Our region is in such a debt hole that no matter what, there is not enough money. And we really need bridges, roads, sports facilities, industrial facilities, new jobs ...

With respect and hope for liberation, Russian-speaking residents of the Vologda region.

[Sheb]

UR, can you confirm what's in GlyphGryph's article?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

http://www.unian.net/politics/894040-v-kryimu-reshili-ne-priglashat-na-nelegitimnyiy-referendum-teh-komu-ne-doveryayut.html

The results of the referendum will not be public. Also, invitations to said referendum will only be extended to those who can be trusted to make the right decision. (I think that's what this says - confirmation?)

Come on guys, this is totally legit!

In article it's about ovserevers. They will invite only obserevers who can be trusted (that means only Russian)

[GlyphGryph]

Yeah, that makes sense. I'm just working off crappy translation myself, so... yeah.

[GlyphGryph]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/03/who-will-protect-the-crimean-tatars.html

The Russians, protecting Crimea from those dreaded fascists! (By carving 'x's into the homes of minorities it plans on persecuting), a bit of a throwback to good ol'1944 I guess?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Well Crimean Tatars on the side of the enemy, again. In 1944 it was Germans now it's Ukrainians

[Knit tie]

I was reading an article about Yugoslavian wars earlier today and what's going on in Ukraine right now is strangely similar, if only in spirit. Also, I've seen some protesters march down along one of the streets near my home recently with a sign that said "No! to war" and a whole squad of policemen came and threatened to literally break the protesters' legs if they don't go away.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I was reading an article about Yugoslavian wars earlier today and what's going on in Ukraine right now is strangely similar, if only in spirit.

I see very few similarities myself.....

I am in pessimistic mood, looks like Crimea is lost already. Russia concentrates more and more troops there and nothing is done to stop them.

[Knit tie]

I was reading an article about Yugoslavian wars earlier today and what's going on in Ukraine right now is strangely similar, if only in spirit.

I see very few similarities myself.....

I am in pessimistic mood, looks like Crimea is lost already. Russia concentrates more and more troops there and nothing is done to stop them.

Well, the Yugoslavian wars were born of greed and pride of the ruling elite and pitted the different peoples of a previously unified nation against each other, and so it is in Ukraine. But my argument is quite strained, I agree.

There is always hope. It is fully possible that Putin will eventually relent after realising that the problems he will get by annexing Crimea far outweigh the gains.

[DJ]

Putin is using justifications eerily similar to the ones Milosevic used.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

It is fully possible that Putin will eventually relent after realising that the problems he will get by annexing Crimea far outweigh the gains.

I am fairly sure he will not stop. IMO, only full embargo on gas and oil or direct NATO military involvement  can stop him. Both are impossible