Frankly I think non-proliferation was a lost cause anyway, beyond cost-cutting measures for the existing nuclear powers. In the case of Ukraine, that was part of the dissolution of the USSR anyway, so a rather special case. And that treaty that promised never to invade, well, Russia considers it invalid as it doesn't recognize the government, so that's that.
But it's kind of historically true. I recommend exellent Europa Universalis series game here. Not even country for some game periods, but regions...
Would you support Polish army marching into Lviv, then? Same logic.
Thats not even ever to be the same, jesus. Russians never liberated Polish/Lithuanian lands. Or maybe some bit I dont recall. But there was a lot of cooperation and liberating with Ukraine.
And, after all, did you ever heard Warsaw Rus? Krakow Rus?
But I defenitely heard Kievan Rus, did I?
It is perfectly clear that Russia sees itself as a successor to the Kievan Rus. That does not mean it owns Kiev today. Or that it can just go ahead and take Crimea because that was Russian territory once.
This is not some computer game.
And you didn't answer the question. Lviv was a Polish city until 1939. Similarly Königsberg/Kaliningrad was a German city until 1945. By your logic, that means Poland and Germany should just march in and take them back?
Yes, thats could happen. You will be naive to belive otherwise. Again. You brought up Kievan Rus. In reality, this is Crimea and access to Black Sea. Nothing more. It's huge
What?
You brought up Kievan Rus, I marked it for you.
The issue is the sovereignty of a country, in this case Ukraine's, since Crimea is part of Ukraine.
And let me tell you as a German and a European that nobody intends to take Kaliningrad or Lviv. If you don't believe that much, I'm afraid you are seriously misinformed.
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