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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #390 on: February 19, 2014, 02:08:27 pm »

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At today's session of the Crimean parliament, Nikolai Kolesnichenko, an MP from the Party of Regions declared that the Crimean parliament should be ready to raise the question of seceding from Ukraine and becoming a part of Russia if the confrontation between the opposition and the government continues (link in Russian).
To join Russia they need to become independent first, would be fun If Turkey would use  treaty of Treaty of Kucuk Kaynarca and annex Crimea first. 

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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #391 on: February 19, 2014, 02:11:07 pm »

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At today's session of the Crimean parliament, Nikolai Kolesnichenko, an MP from the Party of Regions declared that the Crimean parliament should be ready to raise the question of seceding from Ukraine and becoming a part of Russia if the confrontation between the opposition and the government continues (link in Russian).
To join Russia they need to become independent first, would be fun If Turkey would use  treaty of Treaty of Kucuk Kaynarca and annex Crimea first.
...unless Russian troops get there first.
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #392 on: February 19, 2014, 02:21:45 pm »

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...unless Russian troops get there first.
Then we'll see how many countries recognize Crimea as Russian territory. And how many Crimean Tartars join Doka Umarov. Oh, and good luck importing freshwater, Abkhazia-like Crimea


Spoiler: slight derail. (click to show/hide)
I want them having exactly the same faces when Ukraine will go further away from Russian Influence after the victory over Yanuk

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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #393 on: February 19, 2014, 02:26:53 pm »

can I start worrying about the impending world war 3 or not

cuz i have a bad feeling about this
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #394 on: February 19, 2014, 02:35:06 pm »

I am wondering.. Should I inform our glorious security forces about this dangerous neo-nazi terrorists or not
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can I start worrying about the impending world war 3 or not
WW3? With Obama in office? With permanently deeply worried EU? I think not. Even if Russia will nuke few Ukrainian cities tomorrow
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #395 on: February 19, 2014, 02:36:46 pm »

can I start worrying about the impending world war 3 or not

cuz i have a bad feeling about this

Civil war is looming on the horizon, but unless Russia and the West send troops to Ukraine, there won't be World War III.

(I hope so)
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #396 on: February 19, 2014, 02:38:23 pm »

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can I start worrying about the impending world war 3 or not
WW3? With Obama in office? With permanently deeply worried EU? I think not. Even if Russia will nuke few Ukrainian cities tomorrow

The same Obama that nearly started WW3 with Syria?
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #397 on: February 19, 2014, 02:49:10 pm »

Posting to watch.  I have a friend I need to check on...

Thanks for the updates, Ukrainian Ranger.
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #398 on: February 19, 2014, 02:59:38 pm »

Yeah, WW3 is a vanishingly small prospect here. Although things could go very badly for Ukraine itself.
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #399 on: February 19, 2014, 03:07:27 pm »

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...unless Russian troops get there first.
Then we'll see how many countries recognize Crimea as Russian territory. And how many Crimean Tartars join Doka Umarov. Oh, and good luck importing freshwater, Abkhazia-like Crimea
How many countries recognize Abkhazia as Russian territory? Do Ruskies care? Desalination has it costs but I guess that it's cheaper than building a new naval base, isn't it?

I've heard that trade unions headquaters in Kiev have been set on fire during Berkut attack and ~40 people died and that weapons from captured arsenals are being transported to Maidan, is it true?
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #400 on: February 19, 2014, 03:14:29 pm »

I am wondering.. Should I inform our glorious security forces about this dangerous neo-nazi terrorists or not
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I would inform Child Protection Services instead. If this is a recent photo, of someone having their kids roll wheels to build barricades in a dangerous hot zone, those people should be arrested for putting their small children at such a risk.
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #401 on: February 19, 2014, 03:16:21 pm »

I've heard that trade unions headquaters in Kiev have been set on fire during Berkut attack and ~40 people died and that weapons from captured arsenals are being transported to Maidan, is it true?
The trade unions building was burning and opposition headquarters have been moved. I've read numbers of ~25 confirmed deaths. There were weapons seized, but if these are moved to Maidan is unclear. Might just be a rumor. Could also be difficult because of the police presence.

Yeah, WW3 is a vanishingly small prospect here. Although things could go very badly for Ukraine itself.
My guess for a worst case scenario is a civil war. But that would probably be cut short because neither Russia nor the West have any interest in a politically and economically unstable Ukraine, and would both withdraw support in that case.
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #402 on: February 19, 2014, 03:17:22 pm »

Well, BBC decided to end it's live coverage 17 minutes ago, for whatever reasons...though watching the livestream, things seem more calm compared to yesterday.
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #403 on: February 19, 2014, 03:21:53 pm »

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I've heard that trade unions headquaters in Kiev have been set on fire during Berkut attack and ~40 people died
Yep Berkut did set it on fire, but how many died there if died at all is unknown.

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that weapons from captured arsenals are being transported to Maidan, is it true?
Widespread rumor not confirmed but very well possible

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If this is a recent photo, of someone having their kids roll wheels to build barricades in a dangerous hot zone, those people should be arrested for putting their small children at such a risk.
Kiyv is safe at day, as long as you are not too close to barricades. It's a large city, and only one district is dangerous
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #404 on: February 19, 2014, 04:35:23 pm »

Opposition leaders have negotiated a truce with Yanukovych. That should mean that there won't be any attacks on Maidan tonight. Maybe there was pressure from Russia? Anyway, further negatiations, also with the EU Foreign Ministers are set for tomorrow.
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