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[lastverb]

Planning to start another playthrough of either xpiratez or 40k, just have two questions:

How is 40k/rosigma going regarding ufopedia? I don't expect a lot of text and lore there, but last time I played you couldn't even get stats of most weapons/enemies in any way ingame. XPiratez had everything you could ever want and more.

Do you still have to recompile OXCE because the dev, in cataclysm:dda fashion, decided to hide "dev" features behind hashed password? By "dev" features I mean options that f.e. allowed moving finished buildings inside a base. Hard to call it "dev" feature because even a cost to do so was implemented.

[Robsoie]

There's a lot in the codex (40k name for the pedia) with 40k+Rosigma now, so far all the weapons i researched are in it, some ammo aren't because they are on a different research (master crafted ammo by example) .
I don't know if there are still missing entries, but take note that sometime you recieve some usable weapon/items before they are part of a research and so may not yet be in the codex (they will be eventually).

For the enemies, i'm not sure why some of my codex entries have stats and some haven"t, maybe it has to do with the guys being prisonners or a corpses when you research them ?

No idea about OXCE compilling, i just download the game there, looks like there are builds for most OS :
https://openxcom.org/forum/index.php?topic=5258.0

[Mathel]

Moving facilities around used to be a feature, but was supposed to be removed, presumably because of being unrealistic.
Personally, I would have kept it, but altered it so that it took an amount of time and cost an amount money dependant on the size of facility moved.

So, for example, if you moved a 1x1 facility, it would take 5 days and cost $10 000. But moving a 2x2 would take 20 days and cost $40 000. (The time and monetary cost per tile would be alterable by mods of course)

I guess that instead of a full removal, they just locked it away.

[Rolan7]

I recall a flag for it in the ini as something snarky like "The most cheaty-est option".  Because gods forbid we construct a base incorrectly because we haven't played or peeked ahead obsessively, and then throw away a ton of resources to relocate them from one cavern to another.  It still cost money, yeah.

[lastverb]

I recall a flag for it in the ini as something snarky like "The most cheaty-est option".

There was, and then devs said fu to everyone using it and put addiotional option that needed you to put a password, they even put a work to make a password hashed in the code, so reading a source gave you nothing. Normally if anyone known would have post it on the forum. The easiest way to get it back was to remove 2 lines of code and recompile, hence the question. It's just devs being annoying for the sake of being annoying and made me back off last time i wanted to start some playthrough.

P.S. at the time posting anything like that on oxce forums would get you banned.

[Robsoie]

Wow, i ignored there was this kind of drama behind the scenes, it sounds so odd for a single player game with 0 multiplayer component to have some developer to go out of their ways to make sure a player can't use a specific option and so completely absurd to ban them for even wanting it back.

[Chiefwaffles]

This kind of thing is a dime a dozen in the modding scene of pretty much every game. There's just something about modding and the kind of people it attracts.

[Rince Wind]

As far as I know moving buildings was removed by the OpenXCom devs.

[Robsoie]

But OXCE is a fork of OpenXcom , and it's the OXCE dev that created this feature, so not sure why the OpenXCom devs removing the feature would do the same on OXCE ?
https://openxcom.org/forum/index.php?topic=4232.0

[Rince Wind]

Then it was probably the OXCE devs who removed it (couldn't open the link, the board seems to be down at the moment).

[EuchreJack]

This kind of thing is a dime a dozen in the modding scene of pretty much every game. There's just something about modding and the kind of people it attracts.

I know what drew me to Kenshi Modding was the feeling of being God and being able to set the stage however I liked.
...I can see how that attitude could be a problem.

[Robsoie]

The oddity regarding this specifc issue is that in OXCE you have access to debug mode, with "kill or stun everything on the map" type of commands.
 But apparently moving facilities was considered too much cheating for some strange reason .

[Aoi]

I checked the rulesets file, and if i understand well the Piratez_Factions.rul

Spoiler: ninja bases and hq spawning chances (click to show/hide)

- difficulty 1
During month 3, there is 100% of chance of a Ninja HQ spawning
During month 9, there is 23% of chances  to have a Ninja base spawning
During month 24, there is 36% of chances to have a Ninja base spawning (this one has a maxDifficulty: 1 so it shouldn't happen in higher difficulty)
During month 25, there is 7% of chances to have a Ninja base spawning

Assuming difficulty 1 is the second easiest, that can't be all there is to it-- I've destroyed 1xT1 base, 1xT2 base, shot down at least two missions with the objective to establish a new base, and I still have 2xT2 bases and the HQ on the map.

Well, for now at least.

I'm in the cleanup phase of the HQ, and I'm finding it to be a lot easier than some of my other battles... partly because I may be overtech'd (2xHovertank/Las, 2xTank/H.Las, everybody in Assault Marine except for my kitties being in the Nekomimi equivalent, and the X-Com lasers), but the layouts are also much more obvious in how to deal with them. Not up to powered suits yet; still hunting for a Mercenary Engineer.

Spoiler: How I dealt with them. (click to show/hide)

The first phase plays pretty much like a slightly bigger version of a T3 base... the small turrets can mostly be taken out with 2-4 hits from an Adv/Battle laser, and the medium turrets from one shot off a H.Las if you're lucky, or enough that a Las or AutoLas salvo can take it out; even raw base-trained lokk'nar should have the accuracy to clear most of the turrets in the first turn. The humanoids run for cover in the bunker blind spots, taking a quick shot along the way if they have the time for it. The tanks are kind of sitting ducks from the bunkers, but it's unlikely they're take any damage worth mentioning, even if a turret or two are still up.

Pop your head around the corner of the bunker, unload a few shots, duck back. Or just leave tanks as overwatch on each side and have the hovertanks shuffle back and forth a bit, trying to get potshots on anybody that sticks their head out and taking out the turrets way in the back with AutoLas shots. If you remembered to bring highly destructive ordinance, you can blow out the dragon's teeth so your tanks can advance, or I just let them catch any stragglers I didn't tag in the bunker. Mop up.

Phase two is a matchup against one of their mondo tanks that keep attacking governments... except this time you're up against six plasma turrets that you have to destroy. They go down in 2 H.Las shots if you're lucky, but more realistically like 3 H.Las or 7 Las shots. Since you're facing the thing head on, just take out the two turrets on the front corners, and hide out of LoS from the other two. Just remember to not clump, because boy do ninjas love their gas grenades, and if you've been using helmeted armor for the last... 40 hours like I've been, you've probably forgotten about how most people like to breathe. Sticking one hover tank right in front with another flying over the top worked pretty well; the one in front acted as cover and overwatch against hostiles firing from the bridge, the one up top shot anybody that came out to jump from above, for some reason. Tanks did fine on the sides, and also got to dance around the corner to destroy the remaining four turrets. At this point, the only ones in my team with freshness remaining were the ones riding in the tanks...

Phase three, the base assault. You load into a firing row against four plasma turrets... unless you knew this was coming, you're probably not packing firepower strong enough to reliably take out all four, so I just took out the two nearest my units and crammed everybody into their alcove. Poor guys on the other side of the map just hoped for the best and sprinted for a hallway that had cover. Then it's just prowl around with tanks until you get bored and have to sweep the ducts and windowless rooms. Not like morale is going to be a problem, and your freshness is totally dead already, so may as well play it safe. All in all, the ninja experience of N1 wasn't quite as agonizing as I expected it to be. Though going through a minimum of eight alerts every time a ship from my main base took off was annoying.

Update:

Spoiler: HQ Score (click to show/hide)

...Excluding commendations, I got 42 stat points after all that, mostly off my minimally trained Lokk'narr tank drivers.

Somewhat interesting loot includes:
Hellerium Fuel Capsules
Broken Academy Medics, Engineers, Espers, Guild Reps
4.5m worth of loot that got autosold. Which is a drop in the bucket compared to the 50m they hacked from me two weeks ago.
8x Commendations for Bane of Sky Ninjas (no surprise) and... 1xBane of Free Mutants? Maybe from the Sky Forge guys, even though they're Ninja-affiliated? Definitely not the Exotic Dancers that show up in there, since I got it on somebody in a tank and I was careful to knock them out.

Oh, and destroying the HQ... does not disable the existing bases. orz

[Robsoie]

Possibility i imagine is that those numbers i see in the ruleset are only for chances of a ninja base spawning out of thin air, but do not account for the random UFOs that sometime try to establish new bases but can be intercepted/destroyed before they do ?
edit : didn't noticed the enemy base you destroyed, wow 186 enemies !
Good work !

[Robsoie]

My first space marine that fell in battle and was brought back into the fight from the memorial page (i selected the one that had the highest fire accuracy).

Spoiler: dreadnoughts are big (click to show/hide)

By default the dreadnoughts have
- a dreadnought flamer (that is stronger than a flamer, but not as strong as a heavy flamer)
- a dreadnought fist (that hits harder and is more accurate than a Powerfist but only deals melee type of damage while powerfist deals plasma type of damage)

When equipped with a "mortis dreadnought armor"  that i recently forged the dreadnought flamer is replaced by a twin-linked lascannon.

Spoiler: dreadnought have big weapons (click to show/hide)

But i can't find any info on the codex about the twin-linked lascannon (or if the mortis armor gives more protection), either they forgot about it, or it's still locked behind a research that i haven't done yet.