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[notquitethere]

Ooh... you could have all the players on a ranking (listen at the start of each day?) of order of precedence, and all the powers in a list of resolution order, with powers that shunt people up or down, or swap two people's places, one-shot flip the list; and powers that make make kills go first or skip a step etc etc. In order for it to work, I'd think all players would have to have similar offensive powers to one another such that it was crucial who shot first.

[Shakerag]

I wasn't thinking so much on changing players' priorities, but that's a thought too. 

Obviously it would have to be power heavy for it to have much of an impact.  Maybe even allowing multiple actions per night phase.

[notquitethere]

Maybe even allowing multiple actions per night phase.

That would make sense. If the current ordering is a mystery though, things will be a bit of a crapshoot.



So I'm looking at CYOM 3. I've been toying with including professions: templates that would give players some powers cheaper, a free auto that can't be tampered with. Something like this:

Spoiler: Incomplete list of professions (click to show/hide)

Pick a profession from below and then spend your five points. You may buy powers outside your profession but they cost 1 point more than their listed price. Banned powers can be bought, but not used.

Custom
Pick three powers innate to your profession. Pick a name for the profession (it can be identical to an existing profession). Four random powers will be banned. You don't get an innate hidden auto.

Merchant
1 - Inflate (Pick a power or auto that players can buy: after the next lynch it'll cost +1 point to buy that power for the rest of the game)
1 - Buy (buy the most expensive random power you can off of a player for its listed cost. (i.e. if you have 5xp and the target has 5 - Poison, 5 - Reassign and 3 - Peek, they'll get 5 points and you'll get either poison or reassign; if you just had 3xp you'd get Peek; if you had 3xp the action would fail).)
3 - Multishop (You may shop an extra time per day)
Banned: Point Share, Bless, Gift
Innate hidden auto: Flexible

Trickster
2 - Randomise (Randomises the target of actions the target takes before the next lynch)
3 – Mask Swap (permanently swap two masks)
2 - Patsy: pick a new colour for a mask; that mask is now seen in-play (players always know how many masks are in-play and what colour they are). Like any mask, it can be a valid target for any power.
Banned: Recall, Nerf, Delete.
Innate Hidden Auto: Thrill-seeker

Physiker
2 - Protect  (protects target against kills before the next lynch)
2 - Cleanse (One of targets flaws is removed, starting with any -2; if the target is infected/poisoned, the infection/poison is removed instead)
3 - Autoblock (the target's autos will fail before the next lynch, they won't be informed. This doesn't effect autos that trigger immediately after a lynch)
Banned: Kill, Poison, Infect
Innate Hidden Auto: Power of Healing

Thief - Stealing
1 - Scan (spot how many points a target has)
3 - Sap (steal all a player's unspent points)
4 - Power Steal (name a power you think your target has, if you guess right you steal their power)
Banned: something, something, something
Innate hidden auto: Silent

Assassin
2 – Track (see which masks your target targets until the next lynch)
2 - Disguise (until the next lynch, appear as a profession of your choosing when Researched)
6 - Kill (kills target player)
Banned: Chat, Protect, Cleanse
Innate hidden auto: Bloodthirsty

People would still be able to build what they like, but they'd have an incentive to work with their professional skills, and on a meta-level, there'd be an incentive for players to pick a wider range of build-types. It might also be a little less overwhelming for new players than have to select from a huge list. Further, it'd be another thing people could claim/fakeclaim. What do people think to the general idea?

[notquitethere]

In case anyone's interested, here's the current version:

Contract-Your-Own-Masquerade

Contract-Your-Own-Masquerade is a variant of Choose Your Own Masquerade. It's a mafia game  in which points which can be spent on powers at the beginning of each night and role powers target masks rather than players in a deep south nightless format. The four differences are:

Professions: At the beginning of the game, each player picks a profession. This gives them three powers that can be bought at regular pricing, a hidden innate auto linked to that profession, and three powers the player can never use. Players may buy powers outside of their profession for 1 point extra.

Two scum teams and 3rd parties: There are two scum teams, town have to beat both of them, scum teams have to remove all rivals. Depending on numbers, there may also be serial killers and/or survivors.

Shopping Limit: Players can only shop once per day (in their shopping session they may buy and sell as many things as they like, but cannot use any powers in the midst of shopping).

Kill Limit: Every player can only kill, poison or deliberately infect once per day, additional attempts fail.

Spoiler: List of Professions (click to show/hide)

Pick a profession from below and then spend your five points. You may buy powers outside your profession but they cost 1 point more than their listed price. Banned powers can be bought, but not used. There are twenty professions and sixty powers. All powers are banned by exactly one profession.

Custom
Pick three powers innate to your profession. Pick a name for the profession (it can be identical to an existing profession). Four random powers will be banned. You don't get an innate hidden auto.

Merchant
1 - Inflate (Pick a power or auto that players can buy: after the next lynch it'll cost +1 point to buy that power for the rest of the game)
1 - Buy (buy the most expensive random power you can off of a player for its listed cost. (i.e. if you have 5xp and the target has 5 - Poison, 5 - Reassign and 3 - Peek, they'll get 5 points and you'll get either poison or reassign; if you just had 3xp you'd get Peek; if you had 3xp the action would fail).)
3 - Multishop (You may shop an extra time per day)
Banned: Point Share, Exile, Gift
Innate hidden auto: Insured

Trickster
2 - Randomise (Randomises the target of actions the target takes before the next lynch)
2 - Patsy: pick a new colour for a mask; that mask is now seen in-play (players always know how many masks are in-play and what colour they are). Like any mask, it can be a valid target for any power.
3 – Mask Swap (permanently swap two masks)
Banned: Scan, Reflect, Sap
Innate Hidden Auto: Coward

Physiker
2 - Protect  (protects target against kills before the next lynch)
2 - Cleanse (One of targets flaws is removed, starting with any -2; if the target is infected/poisoned, the infection/poison is removed instead)
3 - Autoblock (the target's autos will fail before the next lynch, they won't be informed. This doesn't effect autos that trigger immediately after a lynch)
Banned: Kill, Infect, Buy
Innate Hidden Auto: Power of Healing

Thief
1 - Scan (spot how many points a target has)
3 - Sap (steal all a player's unspent points)
4 - Power Steal (name a power you think your target has, if you guess right you steal their power)
Banned: Power-Cop, Return, Convert
Innate hidden auto: Silent

Assassin
2 – Track (see which masks your target targets until the next lynch)
2 - Disguise (until the next lynch, appear as a profession of your choosing when Researched)
6 - Kill (kills target player)
Banned: Chat, Protect, Cleanse
Innate hidden auto: Bloodthirsty

Parasite
4 - Besmirch (Copy one of your flaws onto the target player.)
5 - Blackmail (The target's vote counts for 0 votes until after the next lynch.)
5 - Nerf (Pick a power. That power now costs 1 point to use each time. A power may only be Nerfed once.)
Banned: Bless, Extramurderous, Changeling
Innate Hidden auto: Unstoppable

Drill Instructor
2 - Fatigue (Destroy 2 XP from your target. Your target can go into negative XP from this power.)
4 - Workout (Target player earns 1 extra point.)
7 - Recall (pick a power - all players with that power sell it back for half its listed price, rounded down; flexible players get full xp.)
Banned: Research, Copycat, Mask Swap
Innate hidden auto: Hardy

Bomber
2 - Gift (give one of your powers to your target. Free- powers remain Free-.)
6 - Hide (spend one point to become incapable of taking actions or being targeted until the next lynch; cannot use during the same action block as taking an action)
10 - Booby-trap (Pick a power: until the end of the day, players that use this power are killed.)
Banned: Pardon, Inflate, Deregulate
Innate hidden auto: Explosive

Juggler
2 - Power Swap (swap any power you have, including Power Swap, with a random power your target has)
3 - Return (Name a power you think the target has. This is sold off at its usual price for that person.)
16 - Extramurderous (This is a free-kill that doesn't count towards the one-kill limit.)
Banned: Delete, Peek, Count
Innate hidden auto: Hasty

Bastard
5 - Delete (One of the target's powers or autos (determined randomly) is permanently removed.)
7 - Infect (Target is Infected: Infected players have a 50/50 chance infecting players they target. Infection kills a player at the end of the following day.)
10 - Grand Swap (All masks are permanently redistributed to different players.)
Banned: Hide, Disguise, Reassign
Innate hidden auto: Thrill-seeker

Councillor
5 - Deregulate (Remove a random banned power from the target.)
5 - Vote Steal (take the vote from any other target)
14 - Pardon: Your target cannot be lynched at the end of this day. Any votes on them will not count.
Banned: Raise Dead, Grand-Swap, Randomise
Innate hidden auto: Austere

Necromancer
3 - Mixed Blessings (Target gains a random power and an equal point-cost of flaws.)
4 - Raise Zombie (Target dead player or dead patsy is risen as a patsy with their original mask colour and all their powers, autos etc. They can no longer be grave-robbed.)
4 - Hypnotise (Target mask uses one of their powers, randomly selected, on a target of your choice. This doesn't count towards their action allowance.)
Banned: Workout, Track, Patrol
Innate hidden auto: Ressurection

Alchemist
2 - Autoswap: Swap any auto you have with a random auto your target has.
4 - Research (learn the profession of your target)
5 - Poison (player is killed at the end of the following day if they are not cleansed first.)
Banned: Gossip, Mixed-Blessings, Redirect
Innate hidden auto: Cautious

Diplomat
2 – Delay (Target's next action before the lynch happens after the lynch instead)
3 - Gossip (you can produce a fake blatant report for the target. This overrides any normal blatant report, though the target needn't have blatant for gossip to work. You can set conditions on your report being posted)
2 – Chat (Set up a private chat between any two other targets)
Banned: Booby-trap, Power-swap, Auto-Swap
Innate hidden auto: Circumspect

Channeler
2 - Point Share (give any number of points that you have to a target)
4 - Santa (target player gains a random power)
4 – Copycat (Choose two targets, you perform all of player 1's phase actions on player 2. Doesn't work for multi-targeted actions)
Banned: Block, Autoblock, Delay
Innate hidden auto: Radiant

Priest
2 – Bless (Target gains a random 2-point auto)
5 – Reflect (Any action (other than reflects) that would successfully hit the target, hits the actor instead)
7 - Convert (Each team can only convert once per game. When scum use it, it makes a player a part of their scum team. When town or third parties use it, it makes the target immune to conversion. Converstion always fails against a scum player.)
Banned: Blackmail, Poison, Santa
Innate auto: Holy

Judge
2 - Count (find out the combined number of powers and autos a player has)
3 - Peek (learn the player behind your target's mask)
16 - Exile: Your target dies. They do not roleflip and their body cannot be raised as a zombie or robbed. They cannot return to the game, so resurrection does not apply.
Banned: Vote Steal, Grave Rob, Power Steal
Innate hidden auto: Virtuous

Inspector
2 - Patrol (See the masks of everyone who targets your target until the next lynch)
3 - Block (the targets actions before the next lynch will fail, but they won't know why)
4 - Power-Cop (choose one: learn all powers of the target, learn all auto/upgrades of target/learn all flaws of the target)
Banned: Hypnotise, Besmirch, Patsy
Innate hidden auto: Immovable

Witch
3 - Curse (target player gains a random -2 point flaw)
4 - Graverob (pick a power held by a dead player, if no one else has graverobbed the power, you now have that power)
4 - Fortune Teller (Player recieves a list of half of all the non-hidden powers, upgrades, autos and flaws in play, in alphabetical order)
Banned: Multi-shop, Recall, Reflect
Innate hidden auto: Super-Saint

Choreographer
2 - Redirect (redirect one target onto another (e.g. blue onto purple)
4 - Changeling (target player gains all your powers/flaws/autos and you get the powers/flaws/autos of your target)
5 - Reassign (pick two players, they keep all powers etc. but their Professions are now swapped. They are informed of this. The associated innate hidden autos do not swap.)
Banned: Nerf, Fatigue, Curse
Innate hidden auto: Flexible

Spoiler: Powers/Upgrades/Autos/Flaws (click to show/hide)

1 - Inflate (Pick a power or auto that players can buy: after the next lynch it'll cost +1 point to buy that power for the rest of the game)
1 - Buy (buy the most expensive random power you can off of a player for its listed cost. (i.e. if you have 5xp and the target has 5 - Poison, 5 - Reassign and 3 - Peek, they'll get 5 points and you'll get either poison or reassign; if you just had 3xp you'd get Peek; if you had 3xp the action would fail).)
1 - Scan (spot how many points a target has)
2 - Randomise (Randomises the target of actions the target takes before the next lynch)
2 - Patsy: pick a new colour for a mask; that mask is now seen in-play (players always know how many masks are in-play and what colour they are). Like any mask, it can be a valid target for any power.
2 - Protect  (protects target against kills before the next lynch)
2 - Cleanse (One of targets flaws is removed, starting with any -2; if the target is infected/poisoned, the infection/poison is removed instead)
2 – Track (see which masks your target targets until the next lynch)
2 - Disguise (until the next lynch, appear as a profession of your choosing when Researched)
2 - Fatigue (Destroy 2 XP from your target. Your target can go into negative XP from this power.)
2 - Gift (give one of your powers to your target. Free- powers remain Free-.)
2 - Power Swap (swap any power you have, including Power Swap, with a random power your target has)
2 - Autoswap: Swap any auto you have with a random auto your target has.
2 – Delay (Target's next action before the lynch happens after the lynch instead)
2 – Chat (Set up a private chat between any two other targets)
2 - Point Share (give any number of points that you have to a target)
2 – Bless (Target gains a random 2-point auto)
2 - Count (find out the combined number of powers and autos a player has)
2 - Patrol (See the masks of everyone who targets your target until the next lynch)
2 - Redirect (redirect one target onto another (e.g. blue onto purple)
3 - Block (the targets actions before the next lynch will fail, but they won't know why)
3 - Gossip (you can produce a fake blatant report for the target. This overrides any normal blatant report, though the target needn't have blatant for gossip to work. You can set conditions on your report being posted)
3 - Autoblock (the target's autos will fail before the next lynch, they won't be informed. This doesn't effect autos that trigger immediately after a lynch)
3 – Mask Swap (permanently swap two masks)
3 - Multishop (You may shop an extra time per day)
3 - Sap (steal all a player's unspent points)
3 - Return (Name a power you think the target has. This is sold off at its usual price for that person.)
3 - Mixed Blessings (Target gains a random power and an equal point-cost of flaws.)
3 - Peek (learn the player behind your target's mask)
3 - Curse (target player gains a random -2 point flaw)
4 - Graverob (pick a power held by a dead player, if no one else has graverobbed the power, you now have that power)
4 - Fortune Teller (Player recieves a list of half of all the non-hidden powers, upgrades, autos and flaws in play, in alphabetical order)
4 - Power-Cop (choose one: learn all powers of the target, learn all auto/upgrades of target/learn all flaws of the target)
4 - Santa (target player gains a random power)
4 – Copycat (Choose two targets, you perform all of player 1's phase actions on player 2. Doesn't work for multi-targeted actions)
4 - Raise Dead (Target dead player or dead patsy is risen as a live patsy with their original mask colour and all their powers, autos etc. They can no longer be grave-robbed.)
4 - Hypnotise (Target mask uses one of their powers, randomly selected, on a target of your choice. This doesn't count towards their action allowance.)
4 - Workout (Target player earns 1 extra point.)
4 - Power Steal (name a power you think your target has, if you guess right you steal their power)
4 - Besmirch (Copy one of your flaws onto the target player.)
4 - Research (learn the profession of your target)
4 - Changeling (target player gains all your powers/flaws/autos and you get the powers/flaws/autos of your target)
5 - Poison (player is killed at the end of the following day if they are not cleansed first.)
5 - Delete (One of the target's powers or autos (determined randomly) is permanently removed.)
5 - Blackmail (The target's vote counts for 0 votes until after the next lynch.)
5 - Nerf (Pick a power. That power now costs 1 point to use each time. A power may only be Nerfed once.)
5 - Deregulate (Remove a random banned power from the target.)
5 - Vote Steal (take the vote from any other target)
5 – Reflect (Any action (other than reflects) that would successfully hit the target, hits the actor instead)
5 - Reassign (pick two players, they keep all powers etc. but their Professions are now swapped. They are informed of this. The associated innate hidden autos do not swap.)
6 - Kill (kills target player)
6 - Hide (spend one point to become incapable of taking actions or being targeted until the next lynch; cannot use during the same action block as taking an action)
7 - Convert (Each team can only convert once per game. When scum use it, it makes a player a part of their scum team. When town or third parties use it, it makes the target immune to conversion. Converstion always fails against a scum player.)
7 - Infect (Target is Infected: Infected players have a 50/50 chance infecting players they target. Infection kills a player at the end of the following day.)
7 - Recall (pick a power - all players with that power sell it back for half its listed price, rounded down; flexible players get full xp.)
10 - Booby-trap (Pick a power: until the end of the day, players that use this power are killed.)
10 - Grand Swap (All masks are permanently redistributed to different players.)
14 - Pardon: Your target cannot be lynched at the end of this day. Any votes on them will not count.
16 - Extramurderous (This is a free-kill that doesn't count towards the one-kill limit.)
16 - Exile: Your target dies. They do not roleflip and their body cannot be raised as a zombie or robbed. They cannot return to the game, so resurrection does not apply.

Upgrades
(These are all attached to a specific power)
x/2 - Self-targeting- (pick a power: that power can, but does not have to, be self targeted. This upgrade costs half the cost of the power, rounded up.)
x/2 - Hidden- (pick a power: that power and any upgrades attached to it won't appear in ability inspects, fortune teller reports or counts.)
x/2 - Innate- (An innate power cannot be stolen, deleted, swapped, recycled, bought, sold, recalled or Changeling'd)
x - Free-: When choosing Free-, pick one of your non-auto powers. Free- costs as much as that power and allows you to use that power once in its phase for free (this means you can use the same power twice in a phase as well). This use doesn't stack with Prolific (if you use prolific to use the same free-power twice, you'd use it three times, not four)

Autos
(Can only be taken once)
1 - Bloodthirsty: get an extra point every time a lynch occurs with your vote on the player that gets lynched.
1 - Thrill-seeker: get two extra points every time a lynch occurs with the number of votes on you equal to or one point less than the player with the most votes)
1 - Power of Healing: gain +1 point every time you successfully protect a kill or remove an infection or poison
2 - Coward (Hiding costs no points to activate.)
2 – Virtuous (you can't be gossiped about or blackmailed)
2 - Silent (you can't be tracked and you don't appear on patrol reports)
2 - Immovable (you cannot be redirected or randomised)
2 - Unstoppable (can't be blocked or protected against. Immunities still apply)
2 - Flexible (gets full point cost back for one cashed in power/autos/upgrades per day except flexible itself; cannot be taken with Industrious nor bought in the same day in which you have had Industrious)
2 – Industrious (other autos cost one less to purchase, to a minimum of 1; cannot be taken with Flexible nor bought in the same day in which you have had Flexible)
2 – Hasty (You cannot be delayed and any attempts to copy your actions fail)
2 – Holy (cannot be cursed or besmirched.)
3 – Super-Saint (The person who casts the final lynch vote on you will also die)
3 – Radiant (Each time someone targets you, that action is also copied onto a random player)
3 - Austere (You are not fooled by disguises and cannot be changeling'd)
3 – Hardy (you cannot be sapped or fatigued)
3 - Circumspect (you always know the reason why your actions fail and you always know if you've been poisoned or infected)
3 - Insured (if you have a power stolen or changeling'd away, you will recieve a replacement for it)
4 - Cautious (you ignore any reflects on your target and are immune to booby-traps)
4 - Prolific (you can use two actions in a phase)
4 - Explosive (you kill anyone targeting a kill at you as well as dying)
5 - Resurrection (After dying, you come alive again- you still get any day xp etc, but this power disappears on use.)
5 - Double-Voter (you have two votes)
5 - Kill Resistant - (you are immune to one kill per cycle)
6 - Networker (If a power is used on you, everyone in the game gets a copy of that power including yourself.)

Flaws
A player can get more points on N0 only by taking flaws. These can be bought off later in the game for twice their initial cost. Each flaw can only be taken once.
-1 - Insiduous (You gain +1 xp at the end of each day but cannot spend xp on buying powers, autos or modifiers)
-1 - Hardcore (all protects on you fail- cannot be taken alongside Kill Immune)
-1 - Dense (you gain no experience points for surviving the day)
-1 - Blatant (every time you target a player, it will be announced at the end of the phase that you targeted them, but not what with. Must have at least one power to take.)
-1 - Broadcaster (The number of powers, autos, and flaws you have is listed (in seperate numbers) at the end of the day.)
-1  Minimalist (If you ever receive a power or auto (through Gift, Santa, Bless, Generous, Networker etc.) it is randomly given away to a non-minimalist player if there are any non-minimalist players alive.)
-1 - Mole (At the end of each day, a random player on a different team gets 1 xp.)
-1 - Simple (Apart from by selling things, you cannot recieve more than 1xp per day)
-1 - Hazy (A random mask in play cannot be targeted by you each day.)
-1 - Blinkered (You can only target one mask each day)
-2 - Mercenary (all your powers cost one point to play. Must have at least one applicable power in order to take this flaw)
-2 – Generous (you have a 50% chance of giving away one of your powers to someone else (both randomly selected) after each lynch. Must have a relevant power to take this. This giving doesn't count as targeting for action-resolution purposes.)
-2 - Unable to vote
-2 - Unreliable (your powers and autos have a 50% chance of failure. Must have at least one power or auto in order to take this flaw)
-2 - Magnetic (powers have 50% chance of targeting yourself- must have at least one non-self-targeting power to take)
-2 - Afflicted (at the end of each day phase, you gain 1 additional unique flaw)
-2 – Lover (a random living player is picked, if they die, so do you)
-2 – One-Shot (your powers disappear after they've been used. Must have at least one power to take.)
-2 - Intermittent (your powers only work on even phase)
-2 - Fragile (Any power costing 5 or more points without modification that targets you is also a kill. This kill counts towards the actor's kill-limit.)
-2 - Guilty Conscience (You die if your vote is on a town player and they get mislynched. Kill resistant does not save against this, but Resurrection still triggers. Cannot be taken with Unable To Vote.)

The professions are probably quite mixed in appeal, and there's undoubtedly plenty of super-broken power-combos still. Any thoughts?

[4maskwolf]

urk.  I'm pretty sure half of those 10+ costers got veto'd last time we all talked about this, and the other half are just as problematic.  They either won't get used or will encourage everyone to take highly obnoxious power-gain combos in order to get to them.

Oh thank god an auto that stops changeling.

I think that the profession idea is a good one in theory, but the way you've implemented them... idk, something's bothering me about them.  I'll think on that and get back to you.

Good, there's a shopping limit.

As much as I like the two scum teams, that combined with convert is just no.  Either get rid of two scum teams or get rid of convert.  I'd rather not have there be 6 scum players by the middle of D1.  Also, convert for town is useless, since the odds of actually stopping a conversion are minimal.

free-buy + sap is way too powerful: get that, five points in flaws, then buy a power off someone and sap the points right back.  Effectively power-steal without having to actually guess a power.

I'll probably have more comments later.

[TheDarkStar]

Networker isn't a flaw. It should actually be a higher-costing thing, especially since it allows silly things like giving everyone kills.

[4maskwolf]

Networker isn't a flaw. It should actually be a higher-costing thing, especially since it allows silly things like giving everyone kills.

Networker...

GAH.

Bad memories.

Urk AND WHICH MORON THOUGHT GIVING EVERYONE DAYKILLS WAS A GOOD IDEA AGAIN?

[TheDarkStar]

Networker isn't a flaw. It should actually be a higher-costing thing, especially since it allows silly things like giving everyone kills.

Networker...

GAH.

Bad memories.

Urk AND WHICH MORON THOUGHT GIVING EVERYONE DAYKILLS WAS A GOOD IDEA AGAIN?

IDK. Daykill 4maskwolf.

It's a shame I wasn't in that particular round, although it was hilarious to watch.

[4maskwolf]

Oh it was Ottofar.  We musn't speak ill of the dead.

And by dead I mean "not playing mafia right now".

The RNG was capricious that game, I COULD have won but didn't (obviously) because Tiruin rolled up her kill.

[notquitethere]

urk.  I'm pretty sure half of those 10+ costers got veto'd last time we all talked about this, and the other half are just as problematic.  They either won't get used or will encourage everyone to take highly obnoxious power-gain combos in order to get to them.

I didn't include all the ones floated last time; I'm willing to hear some counter arguments to having high level powers. I think if people are willing to waste time early-game in order to be powerful later, that's fine.

I think that the profession idea is a good one in theory, but the way you've implemented them... idk, something's bothering me about them.  I'll think on that and get back to you.

I'm not 100% sold on this exact incarnation of them but I like the idea in general, I'd be interested to hear suggestions.

As much as I like the two scum teams, that combined with convert is just no.  Either get rid of two scum teams or get rid of convert.  I'd rather not have there be 6 scum players by the middle of D1.  Also, convert for town is useless, since the odds of actually stopping a conversion are minimal.

But a town player might self-convert if they were afraid of being converted by the scum. I take your point about the double danger with two scum teams. I could make it that only one use of convert works in the game at all, so we get some fun WIFOM when town players are spotted using convert so that scum can't use it.

free-buy + sap is way too powerful: get that, five points in flaws, then buy a power off someone and sap the points right back.  Effectively power-steal without having to actually guess a power.

But it's strictly worse than power-steal: it costs more and it's more susceptible to disruption and you don't get to pick a power you want and you need the spare points to be able to afford to afford to buy from them. I think this makes it less overpowered.

Networker isn't a flaw. It should actually be a higher-costing thing, especially since it allows silly things like giving everyone kills.

Hah, yes, it's more powerful than radiant which you have to pay for. I'll amend that.

[4maskwolf]

Here's my opinons and questions on a few of the abilities, now that I'm fully awake.

Buy: Do you buy it at the price it would be for you, or the price it would be for them?
Cleanse: I like the new addition that it can cleanse away poisons, it makes it useful even after you have cleansed yourself/your allies of their flaws.  Taking it as non-self was kind of pointless in the previous game unless you were a scum player.
Disguise: Seems like an ability only the scum would use, since they might want to hide professions that were heavily scum-sided.
Multishop: Should probably be on the autos list.
Gossip: Similar to disguise, since they are the only ones who would really benefit from framing.
Return: Does return sell it back at full price, or only if the player has flexible?  If the first, it's rather pointless.
Fortune Teller: I remember this ability, it was what allowed me to break the first CYOM after NativeForeigner used it.  Been nerfed since then, obviously.  Doesn't seem particularly useful, in my opinion, because it gives you an incomplete list, which doesn't really help you find scum.  I actually have some thoughts on this I'm going to detail below (if I remember).
Research: Doesn't really seem all that useful, since profession generally isn't a good way to decide what alignment a person is.  Maybe useful for the scum, idk.
Raise Dead: I really can't say until I've seen it in action.
Hypnotise: Same as raise dead.
Workout: is that immediately or at the end of the turn?
Changeline: ugg.  I have a personal problem with this ability.  It's nice to see an auto that can counter it, but still... the changeling bomb strategy is still legitimately too powerful.  Also, you forgot to note the nerfing you did to it in the description (specifically the one that would prevent the innate-changeling and one-shot changeling builds).  If that nerf is reinstituted, most of my problems with it go away.
Nerf: interesting... I'll have to see it in action, but it seems legit.
Deregulate: high cost for limited benefit, a given player doesn't have enough banned powers to make it worthwhile.
Poison: Does the player know that they have been poisoned?
Vote Steal: is this the one that temporarily steals their vote or the permanent one?  Because the permenent one is far too powerful, given that it can be made a free power to start the game.
Reflect: The ability I would have used to break the last CYOM... self-reflect is pretty OP, since it makes you immune to all actions targeting you.  This probably needs to be made to cost more or nerfed to only reflect one action and reduced cost.
Reassign: like most of the profession things, this doesn't really make a lot of difference for its cost.
Convert: Even with the thing you mentioned, it's still not worth it.  It basically comes down to who happens to be online when the 24 hour no-action time at the beginning of the game happens, and that's not really fair to people who live in distant timezones.
Infect: certainly interesting...
Recall: eh?  Idk.
Booby-trap: as much as I like the idea of booby-trapping changeling, this seems like it would break the game.  It gets around the one-kill per player rule in some cases, and can be used on fairly obvious town or scum powers to blow the crap out of them.
Grand Swap: All this does is reset the mask situation to the beginning of the game, where you don't even know what's going on.
Pardon: Are pardons announced?

I'll get to some other stuff and my ideas for fortune teller later.

[flabort]

So I once ran a game on another forum, that didn't turn out so well for reasons. And everyone won due to a tie-game ending.

Well, anyways, the concept was a townless 5 faction game (iirc). Each player was a member of two factions, and each faction hated two other factions; a player couldn't be a member of two factions if they hated each other, and to win a faction had to eliminate all players belonging to the factions it hated. Each faction had 2-3 roles that would be dispersed among the players in the faction, so that certain factions could not have ability X or Y, or whatever, the point of which was to cause certain groups to dislike each other more, or whatever, and give them a reason to hunt factions that they might have been OK with. The original concept allowed for a tie between two factions, where they both win since all three factions the two of them hate (1 mutual and 2 exclusive) were both dead. However, the game ended when two opposed players both killed each other simultaneously.

So I was thinking of reworking it. Instead of a random spread, the players would be evenly seeded between the factions, of which there are now seven. This would make it 14 players if there's one of each legal pairing.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Where the factions are A, B, C, D, E, F, and G.
A hates G and B. B hates A and C. C hates B and D. D hates C and E. Etc.

1: Factions A/C
2: Factions A/D
3: Factions A/E
4: Factions A/F
5: Factions B/D
6: Factions B/E
7: Factions B/F
8: Factions B/G
9: Factions C/E
10: Factions C/F
11: Factions C/G
12: Factions D/F
13: Factions D/G
14: Factions E/G

So now each faction has 4 players. (When I ran the first one iirc each faction had 6.4 players)
Now I need there to be abilities.
Let's say I give each member of a faction a X-shot ability. Picking pseudorandomly, Faction A gets a 2-shot doctor, Faction B gets a 1-shot kill, Faction C gets a 1-shot Jailkeeper, Faction D gets a 2-shot roleblock, E gets a 1-shot douse and a 1-shot ignite, F gets a 2-shot redirection, and G gets a 1-shot bulletproof. This is by no means the finished list.
That way the four members of the faction each have the same ability, but they also each have a separate ability that makes them unique in their team.

Also, doing some math, each faction would want 7 players dead, and each person would want 9 or 11 players dead to win.

Spoiler: by player (click to show/hide)

Hitlist in {brackets}, total in (brackets)

1: Factions A/C 2-shot doc, 1-shot jailkeep {2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 14} (9)
2: Factions A/D 2-shot doc, 2-shot roleblock {1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14} (11)
3: Factions A/E 2-shot doc, 1/1-shot Arsony {2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14} (11)
4: Factions A/F 2-shot doc, 2-shot redirection {3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 13, 14} (9)
5: Factions B/D 1-shot kill, 2-shot roleblock {1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 10, 11, 14} (9)
6: Factions B/E 1-shot kill, 1/1-shot Arsony {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13} (11)
7: Factions B/F 1-shot kill, 2-shot redirection {1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14} (11)
8: Factions B/G 1-shot kill, 1-shot bullet proof {1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12} (9)
9: Factions C/E 1-shot Jailkeep, 1/1-shot arsony {2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, 13} (9)
10: Factions C/F 1-shot Jailkeep, 2-shot redirection {2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14} (11)
11: Factions C/G 1-shot Jailkeep, 1-shot bullet proof {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, 13} (11)
12: Factions D/F 2-shot roleblock, 2-shot redirection {1, 3, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14} (9)
13: Factions D/G 2-shot roleblock, 1-shot bullet proof {1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14} (11)
14: Factions E/G 1/1-shot arsony, 1-shot bullet proof {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 10, 12, 13} (9)

Spoiler: By faction (click to show/hide)

Hitlist in {brackets}, total in (brackets)

A 8-shots of Doc, 1 Jailkeep, 2 roleblock, 1/1 arson, 2 redirect {5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 13, 14}(7)
B 4-shots of kill, 2 roleblock, 1/1 arson, 2 redirect, 1 bullet proof {1, 2, 3, 4, 9, 10, 11} (7)
C 4-shots of Jailkeep, 2 doc, 1/1 arsony, 2 redirect, 1 bullet proof {2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13} (7)
D 8-shots of roleblock, 2 doc, 1 kill, 2 redirect, 1 bullet proof {1, 3, 6, 9, 10, 11, 14} (7)
E 4/4-shots of arsony, 2 doc, 1 kill, 1 jailkeep, 1 bulletproof {2, 4, 5, 7, 10, 12, 13} (7)
F 8-shots of redirection, 2 doc, 1 kill, 1 jailkeep, 2 roleblock {3, 6, 8, 9, 11, 13, 14} (7)
G 4-shots of bulletproof, 1 kill, 1 jailkeep, 2 roleblock, 1/1 arsony {1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 10, 12} (7)

Each faction gets a team-chat, and yes you will need someone on your own team to die in order to win. No, I don't think they'll tell you.

[TolyK]

But... that's not mafia any more :p

It sounds a lot like a much more complicated version of my game "Shootout", though.

[flabort]

Well, it's still got a day during which people are lynched, it's still got a night during which secret actions happen.
Each player only knows their own identity and half the identity of 6 players, which they know they have to kill two of those 6 so they may as well be in the dark concerning them. So they're all uninformed. But each wants to kill over half of the other players, so they're all a minority.

Multiple players can win together, such as 1, 3, and 9, which would be a victory for A, C, and E.

You're right that by messing with many of the fundamentals of the game I've changed the meta, drastically. But I still think it's enough like mafia that it wouldn't fit in the other two boards.

[TheDarkStar]

That is genius. Everyone is the informed minority.