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Author Topic: Hearthstone TCG - And the card goes wild! Goodnight Doctor Boom.  (Read 159819 times)

Leafsnail

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Re: Hearthstone TCG - The Reign of Dr. Boom
« Reply #375 on: June 19, 2015, 12:02:40 pm »

Yeah I think Dr Boom vs War Golem is the only strictly better comparison in this game (although that is a really insane one).
It seems to quite handily made a large percent of the basic deck now completely obsolete (Hey much cheaper 1/4 taunt character who also has charge!)
Silverback Patriarch is, and always has been, insanely bad.  I don't think it has ever been a good option for any deck at any point in the game's lifetime, even for people with no cards outside the basic set.  Even the version with Charge isn't good.  Heck, I think it could cost 2 mana and it still wouldn't be very good.
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Re: Hearthstone TCG - The Reign of Dr. Boom
« Reply #376 on: June 19, 2015, 02:01:15 pm »

See, these are the kinds of things you would be learning if you tried out premade decks and read about them instead of going into a complicated game completely blind.

An attack below 3 without something big to back it up (charge and taunt is not big) is going to be mostly useless because it won't be able to trade for anything valuable.

In general when looking at a card's stats, defense is more important than attack as long as the attack is at least 3, with a few exceptions.  Booty Bay Bodyguard is bad because his low defense means he won't be able to do his job of stalling.  Core Hound is insanely bad because it can be killed for three mana and at that stage of the game a four mana deficit is probably insurmountable.  Oasis Snapjaw is bad because his low attack makes him a negligible threat.  Slap a houndmaster on him though and he becomes really hard to deal with, so it's sometimes worthwhile to bring one in hunter decks.

Aside from Dr Boom who's literally cancer in that he has a pernicious effect on the whole game (every other legendary becomes less viable because everyone runs big game hunter because everyone runs dr boom) GvG doesn't power creep super hard.  Both of the cards you mentioned are garbo and not worth putting in any deck unless you've got some weird shenanigans up your sleeve.

The base competency thing is bullshit, you're not the only new person playing the game.  You're just deliberately choosing not to use the resources available to you.  It's like a baby seeing its parents dancing and trying to get up and dance right away, and getting mad because the playing field isn't level.  You have to learn to crawl before you can walk, and the best way to learn to crawl is to use decks made by other people and learn why they make htem the way they do.
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Re: Hearthstone TCG - The Reign of Dr. Boom
« Reply #377 on: June 19, 2015, 03:17:31 pm »

I think there is something in it - as the cardpool grows established players have more options,so even with no power creep decks will get stronger. An example would be Grim Patron - even though Patron isn't necessarily better than Frothing Berserker the fact that you now can run four inishers suddenly made self-damage warrior a powerful archetype.

That said, other than Boom most of the good GvG cards are common or rare, and almost all the good BRM cards are in the first wing (purchasable for 700 gold). The power in them is actually pretty accessible compared to the fleet of legendaries that used to dominate (Sylvanas, Rag etc).
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Re: Hearthstone TCG - The Reign of Dr. Boom
« Reply #378 on: June 19, 2015, 03:40:16 pm »

Eh, I sort of agree that starting out as a new player doesn't really hold much in this game. You basically have to grind your way up or spend inordinate amounts of money to save time, while people can simply wreck you with a few well placed legendary cards. All the while, you're stuck having to scrounge for paltry amounts of gold to get a random chance at a decent card, or saving up to unlock the raid style encounters. which could take a month depending on the quests you get.

Arena was fun, if only it didn't take gold to play. At least there everyone is using a randomized deck, and the playing field (in terms of cards) is fairly equal, if not in skill.
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Re: Hearthstone TCG - The Reign of Dr. Boom
« Reply #379 on: June 19, 2015, 03:45:16 pm »

You can easily go infinite in Arena though, and once you do you get tons of gold, packs, and dust.
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Re: Hearthstone TCG - The Reign of Dr. Boom
« Reply #380 on: June 19, 2015, 04:51:19 pm »

My suggestion is to just imagine the game costs $10 or whatever and buy Naxx. Then buy the first wing of BRM with gold, and you are actually pretty set to build a lot of good decks, especially Patron Warrior and Face Hunter. Also the good thing about Boom's dominance is that a lot of decks have him as the only crafted legendary, so you can actually open up a lot of decks once you craft him.
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« Reply #381 on: June 19, 2015, 05:20:55 pm »

I wouldn't say power creep is too bad in HS.
GvG did introduce some cards that are strictly better than bad/bad'ish cards from basic set. But good cards from basic set are still good. My main deck (cleric) has like 2 or 3 cards from GvG.

Naw Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh had much worse power creep between editions.

It is just noticeable is all.

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Anyhow as I said I'd show my decks and here they are... With their actual in game name

First up

Weak Priest

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-My thoughts: This deck was what I used to be better then the original finished priest deck using the best cards I had at the time... not kidding.

Copycat (Priest deck)

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My Thoughts: This is a very fun deck, I honestly don't get Northshire Cleric out as much as I need to... But when I do it is fun. Mostly because it beats TERRIBLE decks that win via spending money on the game.

Pathetic Shaman

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Thoughts: Honestly I have NO idea what makes this deck work... I basically tried to make a deck where those totems would be useful and basically made this.

Palaweak (Paladin Deck... of terrible cards)

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Thoughts: This was honestly the best I could do with only the cards I have and it suuuuucks!

There those are all my decks.
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Re: Hearthstone TCG - The Reign of Dr. Boom
« Reply #382 on: June 19, 2015, 05:37:23 pm »

Have you tried that 4/7 for 3 that deals 4 damage to itself as a battlecry in Priest? It's not a Class card but it might as well be, it's insane in Priest.

Might as well run that free AoE heal at that point.
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Re: Hearthstone TCG - The Reign of Dr. Boom
« Reply #383 on: June 19, 2015, 05:43:44 pm »

Have you tried that 4/7 for 3 that deals 4 damage to itself as a battlecry in Priest? It's not a Class card but it might as well be, it's insane in Priest.

Might as well run that free AoE heal at that point.

Don't own it.

All those cards in those decks are just about "all" the cards I have.
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Re: Hearthstone TCG - The Reign of Dr. Boom
« Reply #384 on: June 19, 2015, 05:45:18 pm »

Heh. I've seen it so much I swore it was a basic.

I assume you're saving up your dust for Auchenais?  Those things are absolute beasts <3
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« Reply #385 on: June 19, 2015, 05:45:46 pm »

Heh. I've seen it so much I swore it was a basic.

I assume you're saving up your dust for Auchenais?  Those things are absolute beasts <3

No, not saving up my dust for anything.
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Re: Hearthstone TCG - The Reign of Dr. Boom
« Reply #386 on: June 19, 2015, 06:14:21 pm »

I don't think there's actually been any power creep - Dr Boom is insanely good, but I don't think the average power level of GvG cards in general is actually higher than the classic set.  Other than Dr Boom I think the only absolute staple from GvG is Piloted Shredder.
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« Reply #387 on: June 19, 2015, 06:51:56 pm »

I wouldn't call it power creep, but it opens a lot of decks. The cards aren't necessarily better, but doing a priest deck without auchenai, injured blademaster, wild pyromancer, cabal, (all rare or epic) etc, is quite hard. Though, honestly, I think priest is one of the class where you need the most cards to have a decent deck.
Demonist Zoo would be the one that needs the least.

I think you could pretty decent (not good, but decent) face hunter or demonist zoo or even a basic mage with the cards you have. I used to have a huntard with one knife juggler and one dire wolf alpha (take that instead of raid leader if you have it, raid leader is bad), and I didn't really climb the ladder, but I had around 50% winrate (hovering at rank 19).

I heard there will be an expansion during the summer, I'm guessing a card expansion (like GvG), so hopefully they will reorganize the basic cards a bit, cuz it's getting harder and harder for newcomers to get in with each expansion and each new adventures. Though, knowing Blizzard, I doubt it  :'(

Of the cards you have, I'd recommend the following changes :

Silverback patriach is really meh, I think I prefer the ironfur grizzly, though they are better 3-drops (not taunts). Best are harvest golem or spider tank.
Shattered sun cleric isn't that good, unless you have nerubian eggs or stuff like that.
Chillwind yetis are very good, but senjins are a good 4-cost too. Frostwolf warlord is good only if your deck aims to develop a board presence early and keep it.
To have 2 elven archers, 2 northshire and 2 voodoo is too much, especially as a priest, which is kind of a late game class. The northshire is very good, so take it, but you don't always need a 1-drop, unless you're rushing.
Lord of the Arena isn't that great, and booty bay neither. Stormwind champion is good, especially if you have board control. Boulderfist ogre (the only intelligent ogre  :D) is a good late creature too.
As paladin, in 95% cases, you'll want to take at least 1 consecration (often 2). That's a basic card.

Also, you have 6 Lord of the Arena in your paladin deck  :P
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« Reply #388 on: June 19, 2015, 07:14:16 pm »

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raid leader is bad

He is only decent in my Shaman deck. If only because it is all about the Flametongue totems.
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Re: Hearthstone TCG - The Reign of Dr. Boom
« Reply #389 on: June 19, 2015, 07:52:00 pm »

You should definitely have Rockbiter Weapons and Fire Elementals in your shaman deck.  They're both very strong cards that you'd play even if you had access to every card in the game.
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