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[GreatWyrmGold]

((Well, we had to destroy the ship anyway. That's what the Device did. We could not save those people in any way.

((Which directly contradicts Paris's statement. Which was kinda my point.
Oh, and how would we even save six people?))

If by 'ship' you mean the rocket, the obvious solution was to not load more than one person into it, which the objectives made perfectly clear. If the others had another escape route worked out - say, a jury-rigged hovercraft to follow behind the rocket - then they could have survived as well.))

((Well, "Six people manage to avoid screwing up any stealth or other important rolls and figure out the right way to the thing (to avoid stumbling across spidermonsters and weird entity things and such), thereby avoiding dying, then manage to jury-rig a hovercraft to serve as a shuttle, again without screwing up, before successfully getting and activating the Device" is pretty damn improbable. And doesn't save any of the NPCs, which, again, contradicts the statement.))

((Could we keep this IC? From an OOC standpoint this minor detail doesn't even matter.))

((It does when Paris makes a rather incredible, OOC claim about what we could have done...especially since it's implying we're, you know, incompetent since we did the exact opposite of that.))

GMAH GASOLINE POWER

Summon gasoline hoses to counter the fire hoses!

((Oh gods.))

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"Let me rephrase the question. How many of them did you personally kill? And how many died in such a way that their death was your fault and nobody else's?"

"I don't know..."


((And Paris:))

2. We're done with that mission, right? Why can't you tell us now?
3. Didn't completing the mission objectives require the self-destruction of the ship?))

((I'd appreciate an answer.))

[Xantalos]

((Wait, GWG, did you just imply that Alan is competent?))

[Lenglon]

((GWG, stop conflating Paris and the Entities. Paris's view was:))

((I'm not gonna argue about this OOC, but I'll say you could have completed the mission with only the humans that were hooked up on the ship dying,. And those guys were pretty much dead anyway. I'm not saying doing that was easy, I'm just saying it's possible.))

((As in it was remotely possible, but not likely, for us to save everyone other than the humans hooked up to the ship.))
((The entities are Not Nice People, in case you hadn't noticed. Several of them most certainly are calling people incompetent. That does not mean that Paris thinks such.))

[Harry Baldman]

"I don't know..."

"Well, you see, anybody you didn't personally kill was killed by either us, your teammates - and you can't consider yourself our keeper or commanding officer by any stretch of the imagination - or somebody else, like friendly fire from their own people or that whole aliens vs. Soviets thing that started happening for a moment at the end. Just because your teammates are often strange, inconsiderate, murderous or fatally incompetent doesn't mean you have to beat yourself up about it. Sometimes you just have to work with terrible people, you know?"

[GreatWyrmGold]

((Wait, GWG, did you just imply that Alan is competent?))

((...When did I do that?))

-snip-

((The problem is, not all the humans on the ship were "hooked up" and hence "pretty much dead anyways". The director, the guards, the random office workers and such Angel blew through...none hooked up to stuff, all dead. Unless those aren't people?
And when you say "If you had done the right thing, you could have not only saved ALL your hosts BUT ALSO all the random people onboard," and the opposite is pretty clear from where we stand, you're kinda implying incompetence.))

"I don't know..."

"Well, you see, anybody you didn't personally kill was killed by either us, your teammates - and you can't consider yourself our keeper or commanding officer by any stretch of the imagination - or somebody else, like friendly fire from their own people or that whole aliens vs. Soviets thing that started happening for a moment at the end. Just because your teammates are often strange, inconsiderate, murderous or fatally incompetent doesn't mean you have to beat yourself up about it. Sometimes you just have to work with terrible people, you know?"

Angel nods sadly.
"I still killed a lot, though..."

[Harry Baldman]

Angel nods sadly.
"I still killed a lot, though..."

"One way to think about it is to realize that none of your victims really care, as they're all dead. Another, probably more useful thing to do would be to try to be a generally better and responsible person from here on in, recognizing that what you did was a terrible thing. This was just your first outing, after all. None of us had experience with this kind of thing yet, or even knew half of what we tried to do during the mission. A lot of improvisation, much of which ended badly, happened. That's what happens when you're terrible at this kind of thing. And make no mistake, each and every one of us is incredibly terrible at this. I doubt any of us had interdimensional warfare and spy operations on our resumes before this, although that chivalrous guy might claim otherwise, but he's crazy and you really shouldn't believe his stories."

((The problem is, not all the humans on the ship were "hooked up" and hence "pretty much dead anyways". The director, the guards, the random office workers and such Angel blew through...none hooked up to stuff, all dead. Unless those aren't people?
And when you say "If you had done the right thing, you could have not only saved ALL your hosts BUT ALSO all the random people onboard," and the opposite is pretty clear from where we stand, you're kinda implying incompetence.))

((The long answer to your reply would only prolong this discussion further, and the short answer would be that just because we went on a facility-wide murder spree does not imply stealth and preservation of human life is impossible. Notice how the director survived, for instance. Stealth was possible, but it required organization, good luck, a unified desire from the entire team to prevent casualties and choices that would obviously be far easier to make in hindsight, making a mission executed this way highly unlikely. And that is the last thing I'll contribute to this discussion.))

[GreatWyrmGold]

"One way to think about it is to realize that none of your victims really care, as they're all dead."

Angel glares at him.

"Another, probably more useful thing to do would be to try to be a generally better and responsible person from here on in, recognizing that what you did was a terrible thing. This was just your first outing, after all. None of us had experience with this kind of thing yet, or even knew half of what we tried to do during the mission. A lot of improvisation, much of which ended badly, happened. That's what happens when you're terrible at this kind of thing. And make no mistake, each and every one of us is incredibly terrible at this. I doubt any of us had interdimensional warfare and spy operations on our resumes before this, although that chivalrous guy might claim otherwise, but he's crazy and you really shouldn't believe his stories."

Angel nods.

((The long answer to your reply would only prolong this discussion further, and the short answer would be that just because we went on a facility-wide murder spree does not imply stealth and preservation of human life is impossible. Notice how the director survived, for instance. Stealth was possible, but it required organization, good luck, a unified desire from the entire team to prevent casualties and choices that would obviously be far easier to make in hindsight, making a mission executed this way highly unlikely. And that is the last thing I'll contribute to this discussion.))

((I'm not saying that stealthily making it through the mission and not killing people up until activating the Device was impossible, I'm saying that not killing everyone onboard the ship once we activate the self-destruct systems is impossible.
Not to mention that making it through stealthily would require that no one roll a 1 on any of their stealth checks and such. Ever.))

[Harry Baldman]

To Angel: "By the way, how much practice have you had with your powers? You look young to me, but I've been wrong before."

[GreatWyrmGold]

"Not much..."

[Harry Baldman]

"Not much..."

"So there's lots of room for improvement, then. What are your powers, anyway? I'm quick and I've got good hearing and a powerful sense of smell."

[GreatWyrmGold]

"I can have a bunch of powers. They change."

[Harry Baldman]

"I can have a bunch of powers. They change."

"Cool. Can you control how it happens?"

[GreatWyrmGold]

Angel nods.

[Harry Baldman]

Angel nods.

"That's even better. Can you pick specific powers?"

[GreatWyrmGold]

"Not really."