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[Mephansteras]

I ran a RP Supernatural game a while back. It was fun, but many of the core Mafia players at the time had no interest in RP so there were some pretty new players in it and if I recall correctly there were some activity issues.

The setting also ended up with a rather Hodge-podge group of people from different settings and got a little...odd, but I had fun running it. There didn't seem to be all that much interest in further games of the type, though, so I haven't run one since. No idea if any others have been run.

[Tiruin]

...But that removes the concept of even joining a game (I mean, 'Happy player goes to join game; dies due to random pick.'), the context is better used as a literary device instead of...a literal gameplay mechanic (nobody wants to die right after just joining a game...without due reason).

PPE: Meph.
...I'm interested in RP. Does that count? xD
The points in RP matter that setting and a defined area should be made. But also open for 'creativity': I can imagine a sprawling metropolis with quite the assortment of persons, and then 'significant event' happens. Who are you here?
Or something like that which leads to D1: [Significant person dies, and you're one of the prime suspects]

[Leafsnail]

If someone is somehow bad enough that they're worth always lynching on day one then they probably aren't seriously engaging in games and shouldn't be allowed to play.  Even if we assumed that such a player did exist, blindly lynching them would probably be bad, because it means you have no information to work with on the next day.  It wouldn't be a bad thing to propose though, scum reactions to policy lynch suggestions are interesting.

[mastahcheese]

Couldn't someone make a N0 start game where all night powers except kill powers can be used?
So the cop and role-cop would each have one target checked before the first day began, but nobody would get killed.

[Leafsnail]

Yeah, Dethy and King of the Mafia do that.  It kindof makes sense for a role heavy game.

[Persus13]

Couldn't someone make a N0 start game where all night powers except kill powers can be used?
So the cop and role-cop would each have one target checked before the first day began, but nobody would get killed.

Maybe allow the scum use of a 1-off roleblock that night too.

[Leafsnail]

I don't think there's any tactical decision to be made in a night zero roleblock at all.  You have no information on who has what role at all.  At least with cops you can hit the player you can read least, and with kills you can hit the player most likely to expose you.

[4maskwolf]

Maybe you could solve the problem of eliminating players before the start of the game by using one role more than there are players, not assigning town roles to players till Day start and instead assign them to numbers. Scum pick a number, and that town dies.

You could just as easily get the same result by having multiple possible arrangements, like in the current BM. The players know that there is at least one power role, but not necessarily both. I don't know how Tiruin picked it, but I would guess it was random. This has the exact same effect as a random NK, see the BM setup and do the math. Start with one cop, one jailkeepeer, and four town, then nk a random one. You get the three possibilities listed there.

[Toaster]

Has anyone run a game recently with a N0 start here? How well did that go over? And what are people's thoughts on the subject?

LNCP's custom games have been no-kill N0 starts.  I think it comes down to game balance as some setups are built for it and others aren't.  It would suck to get a cool role and die before you could do anything, but hey, sucks to be lynched D1 or killed N1 too.


I played in that RP, and I agree with Meph.  It was a nice experiment, but I really doubt I'd sign up for another. 



Here's an interesting meta question- how would you react to a vig who killed on N0?

[zombie urist]

If he killed a habitual lurker it would be ok i guess.

[Leafsnail]

Depends on the number of players.  It's actually the correct move in, say, a 5 player night start game.

[Parsely]

PTW

[Tiruin]

Maybe you could solve the problem of eliminating players before the start of the game by using one role more than there are players, not assigning town roles to players till Day start and instead assign them to numbers. Scum pick a number, and that town dies.

You could just as easily get the same result by having multiple possible arrangements, like in the current BM. The players know that there is at least one power role, but not necessarily both. I don't know how Tiruin picked it, but I would guess it was random. This has the exact same effect as a random NK, see the BM setup and do the math. Start with one cop, one jailkeepeer, and four town, then nk a random one. You get the three possibilities listed there.

*points at Mafia RoleCop*

And yes, I follow Toaster's ol' rules in choosing people.

Couldn't someone make a N0 start game where all night powers except kill powers can be used?
So the cop and role-cop would each have one target checked before the first day began, but nobody would get killed.

Maybe allow the scum use of a 1-off roleblock that night too.

...N0 2-shot roleblock two other people only in that night with cops?
Or, given the wait and organization time, why not set a few...nice-ness in that time. Like, all powers have a 50% chance to work, and failure results in nothing gained.

[notquitethere]

Would allowing private messages make the game more fun?

[Nerjin]

Well, what would it add? I don't think it would add enough to justify keeping people out of the loop.