Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[3man75]

Andres i think the rookies should stay behind. We need the new city watch guys to be able to go into an already defined unit (which again barrick is going to stay back and train). These guys will be put to use when we go see our uncle later who asked us to come to his home/castle. The marching to and from will be good for them and us.

When we go and i'm not suggesting we go RIGHT after our trip, we should be prepared for his shenanigans/crooked deals/and possible assasination attempts. CHECK THE FOOD!. Remember he's separate competition from Erik and he's pretty strong. In fact i think he has alot of foot troops under his command or something.

[Andres]

Wait wait wait wait. We're visiting our uncle on the trip? On the way, on the return trip, both, or at a point after the return trip? Please let's save it for the return trip or afterwards. We don't need the friction caused by Penrod and Uncle being in the same room.

Why would we need the city recruits to immediately join a defined unit? (What defined unit btw? As far as I know the SMMC is divided between captain, officers, soldiers, and recruits.) We'll just get Barrick to train them and have them join up with the rest of the SMMC when we get back. Honestly, what's the worst that could happen? Everything will work out fine and we'll have more regulars sooner than if we'd let them chill in the city till we got back, and 3 weeks is a long time to be idle. Besides, I doubt Barrick can adequately train both the old recruits and and the new recruits, it's just too many and he'll be spread to thin.

[Weirdsound]

Wait wait wait wait. We're visiting our uncle on the trip? On the way, on the return trip, both, or at a point after the return trip? Please let's save it for the return trip or afterwards. We don't need the friction caused by Penrod and Uncle being in the same room.

Why would we need the city recruits to immediately join a defined unit? (What defined unit btw? As far as I know the SMMC is divided between captain, officers, soldiers, and recruits.) We'll just get Barrick to train them and have them join up with the rest of the SMMC when we get back. Honestly, what's the worst that could happen? Everything will work out fine and we'll have more regulars sooner than if we'd let them chill in the city till we got back, and 3 weeks is a long time to be idle. Besides, I doubt Barrick can adequately train both the old recruits and and the new recruits, it's just too many and he'll be spread to thin.

Under Barrick's plan, new recruits will be city guardsmen, some of whom will likely be seasoned fighters who will not need training, and indeed may be able to help train others.

[Andres]

Wait wait wait wait. We're visiting our uncle on the trip? On the way, on the return trip, both, or at a point after the return trip? Please let's save it for the return trip or afterwards. We don't need the friction caused by Penrod and Uncle being in the same room.

Why would we need the city recruits to immediately join a defined unit? (What defined unit btw? As far as I know the SMMC is divided between captain, officers, soldiers, and recruits.) We'll just get Barrick to train them and have them join up with the rest of the SMMC when we get back. Honestly, what's the worst that could happen? Everything will work out fine and we'll have more regulars sooner than if we'd let them chill in the city till we got back, and 3 weeks is a long time to be idle. Besides, I doubt Barrick can adequately train both the old recruits and and the new recruits, it's just too many and he'll be spread to thin.

Under Barrick's plan, new recruits will be city guardsmen, some of whom will likely be seasoned fighters who will not need training, and indeed may be able to help train others.

I thought he was getting recruits who would've joined the city guard and instead is siphoning them into the SMMC? Not disagreeing - just confused.

[3man75]

 "he's worked out a deal with some of the local city officials that would allow him to funnel a few more talented recruits from the city gaurd into your mercenary company, or for some other purpose. If you agreed, Barick would be encouraging a greater number of local peasant fighters to join the city guard in districts of the city where it is poorly manned."

From the post as written. By the way this could be used as ammo against us. We are using barrick to put criminals into the city guard (police, would you want your cops to be criminals? Even though i know a few who were) and if picked up by Robilard or the Concubine could lead to them flanking us.

That said i'm all for it. Let's take everyone in the the silver moons with us and just leave barrick behind to train whatever we get from the city.

EDIT: I think that's 3 for giving Verack (our merc captain, in case i get his name wrong) the honor of dueling Knight Gerand to FIRST BLOOD and some after plans. This is just to make it easier on the GM so he dosen't have to scroll/flipping pages as much.

[Andres]

So this is what I'm getting from what the post (not your post) says:
Some dudes join the city guard. Barrick finds them, picks the best, and recruits them to the SMMC. As a side-effect, this will either make peasants join the guard to defend areas where the guard is poorly manned, or will make peasants from poorly manned areas join the guard. The other interpretation is that it's not a side effect; Barrick is (as well as hiring recruits and training them) actively telling peasants to join the guard.

We are using barrick to put criminals into the city guard (police, would you want your cops to be criminals? Even though i know a few who were) and if picked up by Robilard or the Concubine could lead to them flanking us.

Criminals? I thought they were hiring peasants? If you're saying that all peasants are criminals then I'll let you know that's classist and that the proletariat will not stand by while this passive oppression by the bourgeoisie is carried out!!
Ahem........... How do you pick up criminals honest, hard-working peasants? Who's Robilard? Flanking us when? In a battle? In a political debate? When we're leaving the city gates?

EDIT:

EDIT: I think that's 3 for giving Verack (our merc captain, in case i get his name wrong) the honor of dueling Knight Gerand to FIRST BLOOD and some after plans. This is just to make it easier on the GM so he dosen't have to scroll/flipping pages as much.

Yes but it has also been agreed that this course of action shall only be taken if Penrod and Ritalia fail to get Gerand to withdraw the challenge.

[3man75]

Andres the way the recruiting works is as follows.

1. Barrick who has ties with the low born fighters of the city (he's a merc so i'm guessing other mercs/people who fight for a living?) into the city watch. These new guys that barrick recruits get put where they're needed most like downtown or something. In exchange for barrick doing that the City watch sends Gaurdsmen to us for our personel use. They'll be ours to command just like the mercs but i'm guessing they'll have to be paid/fed also. The reason this is good for us is because these guys have had prior exp with combat training and even fighting. Does that answer your question?

2. Robilard is our uncle. If you go back to the OP than it says hes the current heair to the throne. He's like 43/44 now and he got there because our brothers magic incident. He's known to be a political mastermind and "skull duggery" (the hell is skull duggery? Just dishonest or something?) and would profit from making us look bad. So yes politically debating he could use this as leverage that we're using shady tactics to build up our personnel army...IF he finds out and unless he's active in doing so i doubt he will. Also the Concubine could profit the same way to help her install her son, Erik, whos of age but no actual awesome deeds done. I basically see us competing against Robilard and Erik/Erik's mom.

3. I have no doubt they'll fail or have failed. Gerand seems hell bent. Anywhoo awaiting update and welcome questions if you have any Andres (or anyone else watching this thread, i'll try to answer the best way possible and with quotes too.).

[Andres]

That pretty much answers all the questions I had. Thank you. Skulduggery (no misspell - only one 'L') is basically cloak-and-dagger kind of stuff. I'm pretty sure they're synonymous.

-1 on the city guard stuff. Our need to boost our numbers isn't urgent enough that we should start getting into shady practices and damage us politically.
However, we could probably offer some old-timers (or middle-aged, whatever) from the guards who are pretty low-ranked. They'll probably be disgruntled at having wasted their life on a career without advancement and we can offer them a better life as officers or trainers. There probably aren't many who are willing to take the offer (or are eligible within our parameters) but we're not looking to get many anyway. Even 1 or 2 would be worth it considering the current size of the SMMC. Plus, since the number who joins us would be so few there probably wouldn't be much of a political backlash if we went through with this plan.

[Weirdsound]

That pretty much answers all the questions I had. Thank you. Skulduggery (no misspell - only one 'L') is basically cloak-and-dagger kind of stuff. I'm pretty sure they're synonymous.

-1 on the city guard stuff. Our need to boost our numbers isn't urgent enough that we should start getting into shady practices and damage us politically.
However, we could probably offer some old-timers (or middle-aged, whatever) from the guards who are pretty low-ranked. They'll probably be disgruntled at having wasted their life on a career without advancement and we can offer them a better life as officers or trainers. There probably aren't many who are willing to take the offer (or are eligible within our parameters) but we're not looking to get many anyway. Even 1 or 2 would be worth it considering the current size of the SMMC. Plus, since the number who joins us would be so few there probably wouldn't be much of a political backlash if we went through with this plan.

We will be out of town. If Barick does anything shady while we are gone, who is to say that we have anything to do with it?

[3man75]

It's a good point, but lets talk more after the Duel.

Again i'm dying to see FIRST BLOOD combat happen. Also we need a Jim Ross Character announcing this match. That's how hype it should be.

Also maybe we can have a meeting with the mayor or stewards of the town or maybe the City watch Commanders to ask for help in taking on city watch personnel as part of our retinue.

We will be out of town. If Barick does anything shady while we are gone, who is to say that we have anything to do with it?

EDIT: Because we're benefiting from it? These guys will eventually join our mercs and will be easy to know that barrick (who people know is our vassal/bodyguard) is helping us in a shady way. Guilty by association which is partly why people left William our brother when the incident happened.

[Weirdsound]

Apples to Oranges. I don't think a bit of political corruption is quite the same as messing with magical forces beyond comprehension or control, and also, we have a silver tongue, and likely far more support among the nobility than our brother ever did.

Plus, it isn't technically illegal. All it can do is make the people who already dislike us, and perhaps a few lawful stupid assholes, dislike us more, while assuring our allies and friends that we are the sort to seize any opportunity. The worst anybody should be able to do, is to change the law and forbid the practice, at which point we stop.

[3man75]

Apples to Oranges. I don't think a bit of political corruption is quite the same as messing with magical forces beyond comprehension or control, and also, we have a silver tongue, and likely far more support among the nobility than our brother ever did.

Plus, it isn't technically illegal. All it can do is make the people who already dislike us, and perhaps a few lawful stupid assholes, dislike us more, while assuring our allies and friends that we are the sort to seize any opportunity. The worst anybody should be able to do, is to change the law and forbid the practice, at which point we stop.

True however, our brother Erik isn't the one i'm worried about. It's our Uncle Duke Robilard. He's known to be with the whole cloak and dagger (or skulduggery as Penrod put it or Smart ones as our Father the King put it) and will seize the opportunity to make us look weak/questionable. Not saying yes or not i just want to get some stuff out there about how i feel. We also don't know Uncle Robilard enough so we should be extra careful.

EDIT: "I must have justice for my brother, and for my father, too long has it been denied. The drifter must pay. If you will not give him to me i will have satisfaction."
Gesturing towards Serles, who is now on his feet and dusting himself off, you respond. "I must have satisfaction too, you've insulted me and my servants. To answer that insult i ask for a duel to first blood, you and me."

what do you guys think of this statement? would it make us look cowardly and do we care?

Just saying i don't really care but it should be put on the table i feel. Especially the "you and me" part.

[Weirdsound]

The only ones to hear our statement are him, Penrod, our sister, ourselves, and various guards in the service of those people. We can count on our sister, and likely our brother in law, to cover for us. It will just be our word against his if we claim that we didn't say it. Our character is the silver tounged bastard sort, it is time we start playing him like it.

As for our uncle, he doesn't even live in town. It wouldn't be easy for him to capitalize on events in the city. That said, it is right to be afraid of him, as his best window is now. The longer he delays, the greater the chance our father might make one of his sons crown prince. Honestly, I'm more afraid of him offing our father while he is still first in line for the throne, than I am of him messing with us; If he just dealt with us, he would still have Erik to deal with.

Out of curiosity, GM, what do we know about Robilard's family? Does he have sons fit to take the throne after him, should he become king?

[3man75]

The only ones to hear our statement are him, Penrod, our sister, ourselves, and various guards in the service of those people. We can count on our sister, and likely our brother in law, to cover for us. It will just be our word against his if we claim that we didn't say it. Our character is the silver tounged bastard sort, it is time we start playing him like it.

As for our uncle, he doesn't even live in town. It wouldn't be easy for him to capitalize on events in the city. That said, it is right to be afraid of him, as his best window is now. The longer he delays, the greater the chance our father might make one of his sons crown prince. Honestly, I'm more afraid of him offing our father while he is still first in line for the throne, than I am of him messing with us; If he just dealt with us, he would still have Erik to deal with.

Out of curiosity, GM, what do we know about Robilard's family? Does he have sons fit to take the throne after him, should he become king?

He has like 2 sons and one daughter. Somewhere in the OP i keep re-reading to wait for the update. (sorry i'm obsessed but i wish this could be a video game somehow).

Also point to W. Sound, we are pretty protected.

[Andres]

Just saying i don't really care but it should be put on the table i feel. Especially the "you and me" part.

Yes, but then he retorted with "I do not wish to bleed a boy." If we get Verack to duel it'll seem like we're doing it because it's the only way for us to get our own satisfaction, as he would just decline a duel with us whenever we personally challenged him. Not our fault he won't duel us mano-a-mano.

As for our uncle, he doesn't even live in town. It wouldn't be easy for him to capitalize on events in the city.

True it wouldn't be easy, but assuming what we've heard about him from Penrod and Father is true then he'll probably find a way. We ought to be careful, at least until after we visit him.

EDIT: When presenting Vareck to Gerand as his duelling opponent, say something along the lines of "You don't want to bleed a boy? Here, have a veteran mercenary badass (with a bitching claymore) instead!" just to make it clear that we're not making Vareck fight out of cowardice.